Tree Hill Wrestling Federation

Ep. 128 - Big Show Me How To Live

• Erin Koczkur and Sean Harris • Season 6 • Episode 22

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Do you smell what the rock is cooking?

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Three Hill Wrestling Federation podcast brothers

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and sisters.

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Oh boy, episode 128. That is big show me how to live on the THWF for the 128th time as I am Sean Harris. And I am Erin Kosker. THWF brother, live and in charge once again.

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Can't

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believe we're still here. Still doing it. Amazing. Love it.

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And now there's more, like, talk about the reboot. So, like, yes, we've talked about this kind of ending after the show is over, but also if the reboot happens, you know we're going to cover the reboot.

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We'll definitely have to cover the reboot. Because it'll be

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fresh for me, too. I won't know a single thing.

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Yeah, it'll be fresh for both of us, which would be amazing. So I'm totally down with that. I figure we could probably at least finish this before that happens.

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Oh, yeah. 100%.

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Definitely. So that'd be pretty great. Because they

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still haven't really started any filming or anything.

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I got another email saying that we are number three, so.

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What are people going to do about it? Oh my God. Right? Are they going to come to our house with pitchforks and fucking

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torches

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and shit and say like, you're not number one, you're actually number three, brother. You know that's not going to happen, so I can say whatever the fuck I want. Because it is our podcast and we do what we want. And since it is the 128th edition of this very podcast, November 30, 1998 Monday Night Raw on this podcast. We are rambunctious and we like to rambunctiously amalgamate the worlds of O-T-H and W-W-F slash E. Not yet, no. You're saying weird shit. I'm halfway done but it's not kicked in yet. It will kick in probably by the Treehill portion or at least most of the way through this. It has not kicked in yet but what has kicked in is the Headbangers apparently now joining up with Insane Clown Posse. I

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mean, I feel like that's more

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fit. kind of does make sense because it's like even though icp is like rap but you know it feels like they're very similar in certain ways you know mosh

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attitude

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mosh thrasher violent jay shaggy too dope you know it seems to all go together yeah but they're out here and it looks like they're gonna have a match but not before stout toe Steve Austin he is not pulling any punches he's not pulling any shovels this time because he is gonna go after everyone he's got a shovel looks like a brand new shovel brand

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spanking new he

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just bought it from fucking Canadian Tire

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Home Depot

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Home Depot yeah I guess there's no Canadian Tire in Baltimore Maryland American Tire I guess but he comes out it's stunners for all he's Oprah in this episode you get a stunner you get a stunner everybody gets stunners tonight I think by the end of it I counted nine stunners by the

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end yeah you can't no i think there was more than that

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no no there was three here i think there was six later

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four there here

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there was only three

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really

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yeah he only stunned mosh thrasher and one of the members of the same clown posse i thought he

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got both of them no no

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no so he got three members here uh but either way he's handing out stunners like candy And he doesn't really have much to say. He's just like, he's looking for Undertaker and Paul Bear because, you know, they tried to embalm him last week. True. And he's out for revenge. So he's going to find them and he's going to lay waste to them with a shovel, I guess, and maybe bury them alive if he gets the chance. TV Guide. I know you probably didn't get many TV guides back in the day because you didn't watch TV because, you know, you didn't have cable. But TV Guide was a huge thing, especially in the grocery stores because you would check out and write at the check stand, still today, uh you see magazines and always tv guide was there because we didn't have a fucking you know internet to deal with to find out what was on tv and the uh channel uh the channel channel you know the channel listing channel like whatever channel three uh that would tell you all the programming and what's

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on and my

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tells you everything that's happening this is so sad

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hang on So, my grandmother, great-grandmother, she had Alzheimer's. And she moved in with us. Literally, like, sitting in the exact same spot I'm sitting in now. This is basically where her chair was.

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Weird.

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Or something. She would sit here. And her TV was over there. And she would just watch the channel listing on...

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The channel

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channel. On channel three. Just in a loop.

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Over and over and over again.

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Over and over and over again for like hours.

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Why?

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Because she would forget what was already on the listing. And then she'd be like, oh, like this is new information. Like, yeah, it was really sad. I was like in the sixth grade and I remember it vividly.

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Wow. Well, we didn't have that back in 1998. We didn't have the internet or a less easily accessible internet. But we did have TV Guide, which showed us all the channels and what would be on at certain times. But I always knew that Monday Night Raw would be on at 6 o'clock every single Monday night. Stone Cold Steve Austin.

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Until it wasn't. the odd time that they...

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I mean, when they had a Thursday Raw Thursday or a Saturday Raw Saturday or they preempted for the US Open or whatever. Something dumb. You know, why would you ever preempt Monday Night Raw? It's blasphemy. But Stone Cold Steve Austin actually got his first cover on TV Guide and also joining him was The Undertaker. So this is one of the first, not the very first time. I think Hulk Hogan probably was on a cover of TV Guide back in the day. And sidebar, a real tough week last week. It was Check on the white people, because man, they had a rough one, including myself. Ozzy Osbourne and Hulk Hogan both passed away two days apart last week. People kept coming up to me and texting me and asking me if I was okay. I

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told you about Hulk.

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Yeah. And both days I was at work when I found out. And those are deaths that you just don't forget where you were and what was happening when they died. And so major rest in peace to Ozzy Osbourne. A huge influence in my life and in my musical life and literally everything. One of the greatest singers of all time. Rest in peace. And of course, Hulk Hogan. Say what you want about the guy. He's definitely... We'll see you next time. sports entertainment wwe as we know it would have not existed without vince mcmahon and hulk hogan and so all of this attitude error and everything and it you know it wouldn't happen so it also would have meant that this podcast probably wouldn't be a thing so we do all owe a debt of gratitude to hulk hogan for the sheer impact he had on sports entertainment and wrestling as a whole

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you mentioned how like you had so many people letting you know yeah um so our sister-in-law um she was the one that told me that Hulk Hogan died she was like is Sean okay like two of his heroes are gone I mean two people that were like important influential like in your life

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I'd say Ozzy Osbourne would definitely be a hero not Hulk Hogan but

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yeah um

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But yeah, hugely influential for sure.

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And then an ex-coworker of mine from back in the day, back when I dressed as Hulk Hogan for Halloween in 2017 and wore my costume to work.

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And won a costume contest at a video game bar in Vancouver that night.

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Yes. Yeah. yeah she was like are you how how are things going like Hulk Hogan died isn't that sad yeah she's like I thought of you immediately and I was like that's so funny that you thought of me when a wrestler dies

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very true yeah crazy it's amazing what I've turned you into babe

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oh

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my god uh but yeah Hulk Hogan like I said he had some controversies definitely uh you know not the most well-liked person especially like you know this year I mean CM Punk even went on Monday at Raw one week before the Rumble and said he was gonna throw out Hogan's dusty ass and kill Hulkamania forever literally six months before he died so you know and all of his racist remarks that were that came to life and all these things I'm very unfortunate but again you can't deny the impact that he had I was never a huge Hogan guy because by the time I started watching wrestling I was like Bret Hart mode for sure Hogan would pretty much already gone and gone and done Thunder in Paradise and Mr. Nanny and Suburban Commando and all those shit ass movies and join WCW. I

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remember Mr. Nanny.

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Mm-hmm. You should watch it.

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Oh, my God. We

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need to watch No Holds Barred as well, too. what's that smell

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dookie

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dookie that's one of the greatest lines in movie history from hulk hogan there dookie um yeah no holds barred brother uh but yeah the impact is undeniable even though i wasn't a huge hogan guy like i said most of this would not exist without him um probably one of the most if not the most popular wrestler of all time he's definitely a household name like even if you don't know a goddamn thing about wrestling you're you probably know who Hulk Hogan is

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yeah

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yep Same thing with John Cena. He was

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one of the only wrestlers I knew about when I was growing up.

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That's him.

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Because Brad, my cousin, he had one of the wrestling buddies that was Hulk Hogan. And him and my brothers would wrestle in his basement living room with the Hulk Hogan. They would put the cushions from the couch on the floor and wrestle and stuff. So he was the one I grew up knowing about not that i watched wrestling at all but i was aware of him

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as a person oh absolutely well he he transcended wrestling he's in pop culture he hosted saturday night live he was in movies he was in tv shows he he appeared everywhere on all the talk shows had merchandise the lgn figures the wrestling buddies and fucking this hulk hogan's pastamania all these things yes look it up bro hulk hogan's pastamania everything he transcended wrestling for and that's the thing this dude had two peaks in his career he had a peak in the 80s when he was you know hulk hogan say your prayers fucking take your vitamins and you know pray and believe in your and blah blah blah and drink your milk uh and he had that huge peak yeah i know uh he had that huge peak in the 80s with hulkamania when he was world champion multiple times for a very long time and not only that he started to kind of fall out of the eye of fans in wrestling and then he turned heel and joined the nwo and had another peak as a heel hollywood hogan so like i said undeniable career Very sad what happened. Apparently cardiac arrest. He had been in the hospital for a little while. And they couldn't get him better. They couldn't do anything to help him. So they sent him home. And then a little while later, he succumbed to all that. So very unfortunate. Rest in peace to Ozzy Osbourne and Hollywood Hulk Hogan.

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our worlds would be shaped so much differently if it wasn't for those two guys. For sure. Especially mine. We'll move on and talk about how they were slagging off Hulk Hogan multiple times in this episode for being a piece of shit. Because that's what WWF does, brother. I

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know. We're watching this and we're like, who?

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It's like Hulk Hogan, that old fossil. He's retired now. No, he's

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dead

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now. No, he's dead now. But even back then, it was fucking 27 years ago and they're calling him a fossil back then. So what does that say now? anyways Goldberg even name drop Bill Goldberg let me tell you something Bill Goldberg I'm going to be Bill Goldberg because Bill Goldberg can't do anything with me he prefers to be called Goldberg well I'll call him Bill Goldberg say it to my face Bill Goldberg one of Bret Hart's most hilarious promos on Bill Goldberg they named dropped him and said that Goldberg is an Austin wannabe because he is a bald guy with a goatee with black trunks, black boots, and beats everyone's ass. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. Bill Goldberg. We have a tag title match as well, too. We got The Outlaws. Jesse James is double double J Jesse James no longer it's a road dog Jesse James and speaking of Jesse and James from Pokemon I was playing Pokemon Puzzle League today it was great and the kids loved it kids loved it and I played Team Rocket and they beat their asses it was great We have a tag team title match here. It's the New Age Outlaws against the Brood here. And it is looking like it's Edge and Gang Grail in this match. So Christian's on the outside. Christian comes in with the belt shot. Okay, so the sheer amount of fuck finishes in this episode is quite hilarious because most of the matches don't really mean a lot. There's a couple here and there that are okay. But overall, there's not a lot of substance in any of these matches, which is kind of nice because they're all very short. And we just kind of focused on the stories of the night, which was, you know, at this point, I kind of prefer. But anyways, Christian comes out with the belt shot. We get a DQ. New Age Outlaws win. Apparently, the corporation, still not called the corporation yet, is called Team Corporate at this point, which sounds terrible. So eventually, it will be The Corporation. But anyways... corporate uh mcmahon family uh they're trying to recruit the new age outlaws to the corporation

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yeah apparently i

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think the outlaws are capable of straightening up and flying right

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and

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what would xpac and triple h and china would say about that right

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yeah china's busy

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china's on a date

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so she's not there to say anything

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she's not there to say anything so we'll see what happens with the new age outlaws in the corporation also austin's looking around for undertaker and unfortunately he goes in one with the shovel and unfortunately he goes into one too many freezers

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I knew this was going to happen. Me too. When he looked in the first one. I was like, he's getting thrown in there. Well, you knew it because you've seen it.

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Excuse me. Excuse me. Okay. Let's fucking rewind this shit for a sec. Okay.

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I mean, you have though. I'm the only one that hasn't. 27 years ago. I know it's been 27 years ago, but you've still seen it. So you might have like a lingering little memory.

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Not at all. Not at all. You know the sheer amount of episodes of Monday Night Raw I've seen? And I'm supposed to remember this one 30-second segment from 27 years ago when I was 9 years old. You

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remember a random shit that I told you about One Tree Hill when I thought you weren't paying attention?

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When I was 9 years old. And I'm supposed to remember this. I

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remember shit from when I was 9 years

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old. You remember a 30-second segment on a TV show you watched 27 years ago? You don't remember what happened 27 minutes ago? Let's move on.

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Ha ha ha!

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Austin gets locked in a freezer and we knew that was going to happen. Even though I only watched it once 27 years ago, I should know that this fucking happened. And Undertaker's the one to lock him in there. Padlocks and everything. So I guess Austin's going to die of hypothermia.

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Yes, so.

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Yeah. Oh, well. So, yeah, it's the big date. China, Mark Henry, sexual chocolate himself. He is getting ready for this date. He's getting all, you know, He's not so scruffy looking this time. He's in a nice little sport coat and dress shirt and nice dress pants and shoes. He's looking real nice here. Looking pretty fresh.

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She's wearing jeans and a halter top and a leather jacket.

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She's also looking pretty good, I must say. And D-Lo's kind of helping Mark Henry out.

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Unwillingly.

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At first he was helping him out and also they're in a hotel getting ready. And you see the Christmas tree because it is November 30th and it's way past where they should be putting up christmas trees that should be a november 12th

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no it's not

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actually november 1st more like but anyways uh the christmas tree is up and it's gorgeous and it's here and it's a nice backdrop for this date with china and mark henry but mark henry asked dilo to come along with him and dilo's like kind of be a third wheel no and he's like no no it's okay he helped support me and helped me with my confidence with china and he's like okay for you i'll do it and so they go to the limo and mark henry gets in and he gives the fucking limo driver hat and a sport coat to D'Lo oh he's coming along on the date alright he's going to be their driver unbeknownst to D'Lo I love how these two are actually getting some story now because before they'd just be out there and barely have promos and just wrestle and now there's actually some backstage interesting story stuff happening with them which I love because D'Lo is my absolute boy Adam gave me his boy stable last night.

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Okay. Can I just say something?

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Yeah.

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He did not... wag his head around as much. He wasn't as much of a bobblehead.

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Well, he wasn't in the ring. He wasn't in the arena. So why would he be on a date with Mark Henry in China? Well, if that's the

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shit he does, then he'd just be doing that.

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He just does that all the time. No, he was in a bad mood because he had to be the driver for this date. So he wasn't fucking, you know, he wasn't recognizing. I tell you that much. Mark Henry also has flowers for China.$1.99, Mark? Come on. Dude makes bank in WW He can afford more than$1.99 for flowers. Come on. He's sexual chocolate, man. He's the world's strongest man. You'd think he'd bring a little bit more to the table. But I kept thinking that, you know, Chyna might actually start enjoying herself later in the day. We'll see later what happens there. Undertaker, now he's literally put Austin on ice. Literal Chili McFreeze ice dagger. Now he only has one person left to take out and that would be his brother Kane and calls his brother out and he does come out. But while they're brawling, a bunch of random men in white coats, one of them with a straight Great jacket in his hands are coming out and going after Kane. So it seems like because he's been a lost soul for a little bit now, he has no direction. He doesn't really know what he's doing. He's kind of going nuts because he's randomly attacking crew members and fans and he's not doing so hot. So Paul Baron Undertaker feel it's right that he gets taken away and put into a mental asylum.

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That's the answer?

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That's the answer.

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To them betraying him? Oh, this is the answer for you going nuts because we betrayed you?

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Yeah. Fucking losers. He's a rudderless ship right now. He needs direction and maybe he needs a little loony bin for that. Right? I mean, this is a guy who, this man cost me the world title and I felt like I had to bury him alive or embalm him. do you know who you're dealing with here this isn't like fucking undertaker from like a year and a half ago who's like i'll just get in the ring and beat your ass this is fucking i am going to set you on fire embalm you and stab you with a fucking dagger and kill your whole family and light your house on fire because i killed my own family in a fucking house fire so why wouldn't i do it to your family too that's this undertaker this is a whole different undertaker bro especially now that he's back with paul bear dog shit yeah dog shit it is in Baltimore so you get a couple of Baltimore Ravens legends you get Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis at ringside of course you don't because you don't watch football lame and then xbox with dx he comes out by himself and he's actually calling out sean michaels because last week sean michaels turned on his so-called best friend which i don't think that they're a

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good friend

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one of the good friends but i'd say triple h is definitely his best friend um in real life anyway but he calls out hbk And HPK comes out and he says, you better get in line because you got a match tonight for your European title against Ken Shamrock. And if you don't like it, I can send your ass down to that money pit in Atlanta with all the fossils, like Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper. It's been so long, and yet they're still constantly, well, not constantly, but periodically referencing WCW over and over again.

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They gotta get the jabs in once in

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a while. They do, I understand. But they're gonna get to a point that they're gonna so far surpass WCW, they don't even have to mention them in any brass anymore because they're a pathetic company, and now people are totally... realizing their pathetic company and some crazy shit happens at the end of 98 and early 99 in WCW that we'll actually have to cover because it has so much to do with WWE it's wild I cannot wait from where we are one month from where we are now it is going to be insane it's fucking nuts the end of the year and the beginning of 99 is like holy shit

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weird

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Yep, and you'll see it, and you'll love it. Maybe. And then he tells... We'll see. Depending on what things we're talking

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about. Are you thinking about the content of it, and you're like, ooh, you might

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not... Oh, no, no. There's some stuff you're gonna be like, oh, my God, and you're gonna be so fucking happy for, but then other things you're gonna be like, oh, what the fuck? What the fuck? Crazy shit, dude. We'll get there.

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Is Tasselboots coming back? Does this include anything about tassel boots?

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Couldn't tell you, bro. That's

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the only thing that would make me happy.

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Oh, I don't know. I think there's some other thing like that. I'm going to stop right there and say that Austin has escaped the meat locker. Actually, before Austin escapes that meat locker, Shawn Michaels, when he's done his promo against X-Pac, he says, now hit my music. And they play DX's music. And he's just like, just so you know, I was in fucking DX first, you little fucking piss ant, right? Yeah. So he says like... And he keeps saying that he was in DX before DX was cool. To me... DX was pretty fucking cool when it was Shawn Michaels, Triple H, and Chyna. They did some hilarious shit. Now, obviously, it's not the, you know, army, DX army like they have with Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, and X-Pac and Chyna, but still, they did some great stuff, and I don't feel that DX wasn't cool when Shawn Michaels was in it, you know? I don't agree with his statement there, but either way, they play his music because he originally had that music. As Austin does escape the meat locker, I guess somebody was going for a side of ribs frozen ribs and they saw a weird padlock on the door cut the bolt and opened it and realized

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there's an angry wrestler

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angry wrestler who's in a tank top and shorts and minus whatever 30 in a meat freezer it was

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just a meat cooler like it wasn't like a full-blown freezer

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could have been a freezer bro what was in there

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they called it a meat cooler okay there's packages of meat but like If it's, like, got food and stuff, typically they don't want to, like, freeze-freeze it. Like, if it's something that they need to be able to cook

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up fast. Yeah, sure. But either way, it's cooler, it's a freezer, it's whatever. It's a meat locker, and Austin's out. So we've, in this entire episode, we've only had one match. It was the... New Age Outlaws and Brood that ended in disqualification. So we still have not had our second match yet. We went after that match as Austin's in a freezer. The China Mark Henry date. Taker brawling with Kane. The Ravens are here. X-Pac calls out Shawn Michaels. Austin has escaped Meat Locker. And now finally we hit match number two. And it's Gold Dust against... Jay! Double F-E... Or double J, A, double R, E, double T. But he's not double J anymore. That pisses him off. He's just Jeff Jarrett. And he's got a match here. And Owen Hart, who we absolutely love here on the podcast, is here on commentary. And he's saying he's retired. for all the terrible stuff that he's done. Yeah, he continues to go out every week and do terrible stuff. So I don't know where the remorse is. Yeah,

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I don't get it.

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I mean, it's own heart. You can't really take anything what he says at face value. But anyways, he's on commentary. He says his career's done. He's not wrestling anymore. And then before you know it, he jumps in the ring and attacks Cole Dunn. causing another dq so we're two for two on dqs or fuck finishes uh then the blue blazer comes out and actually starts attacking owen for some reason why is the blue blazer attacking owen they've been teaming up for weeks now it is because it is steve blazer no

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it's wolverine

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it is um blue blackman And he's here, takes off the mask, and we find out that this entire time, Blue Blazer was Steve Blackman? No, because Blue Blazers attack Steve Blackman many times. So who is actually the Blue Blazer, and how did Steve Blackman get the Blue Blazers attire?

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No idea.

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Oh, no. Maybe he stripped him naked like Undertaker has done to Kane many times, leaving him naked in the locker room while he goes out and has a segment with all his gear on.

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Yeah, maybe. Right?

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There's a lot of that. There's a lot of stripping other men of their entire clothes. Oh, they love stripping other men. They do. Yeah. Big time. It's a very fun thing. Blockman Blazer.

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Uh-huh.

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We get a hardcore title match. Mankind's. Poor old Mankind. I like how JR says... mankind, the only thing he has left in this sad, pathetic life is the hardcore title. The title that Vince McMahon gave to him. It's not like he won the title.

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Yeah, he's just

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like, here you go. Vince McMahon handed it to him. So I don't know about this title, but either way, I mean, we're having some good matches around it. We have a ladder match, which Shawn Michaels is here for, and he's obviously authority on ladder matches.

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Yeah.

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Seeing that he had two very high profile ladder matches with Razor Ramon, one that we watch for the podcast at WrestleMania 10. So he's very experienced when it comes to these matches, even had a ladder match early on against Bret Hart as well, too. But he's grading mankind on his abilities in a ladder match. First one is minus two. I guess this is out of 10. one out of ten and then finally a six so he does quite improve in this match but then of course boss man clotheslines mankind and he gets a ten for his efforts uh mr socko is also here but unfortunately the rock is here to break things up now there is no disqualification in a ladder match But there is interference. It's not a clean win. The Rock is out here. He hits the rock bottom. Did you notice that The Rock has a t-shirt on, but he has his wrestling trunks on? So it looks like he's not wearing any pants. You know what I mean? Almost like a dress. It's kind of funny. So yeah, he's here. And Big Boss Man is the new hardcore champion. Ugh. Now, this is my buddy Adam came and saw a bit of this episode, and he mentioned to me, oh, the next year of Big Boss Man. Holy shit. And I'm like, yep, buckle up, brother. If you think this crazy shit was Big Boss Man, you have not seen anything yet. Oh, God. My God. Kane is in the back here. him and undertaker have a kerfuffle a little bit of tomfoolery maybe some shenanigans if you say could be any of those three things but anyways a tombstone in the back from undertaker and he takes out kane and now what do undertaker and pb have for kane a body bag taking her back to old school undertaker and bringing out the body bag and they're gonna put kane in there Paul Bear leaves to find the orderlies in the white coats to take him away to the mental institution when Austin comes out of nowhere and he hits Undertaker in the back of the head with the fucking shovel. So now Kane is not in the body bag, but we don't see what happens next at all. We just see Austin attack Undertaker and then it goes to the next segment. Interesting. This is probably my favorite part of the night. And I've never said this about a Mark Merrow match in this entire fucking run of this podcast, brother. I have not said this one time in the entire run of this podcast, but I have to say, for reasons, this is probably my favorite moment of the night. Because Mark Merrow... Go on. Because Mark Henry... Mark Merrow... gets on the mic before this match, and he says, who do I have to face tonight? Dwayne Gill? This jobber? Well, if I can't beat this jobber tonight, I will quit WWF. I retire.

SPEAKER_01:

He better stay retired, though. Because, like... Oh yeah, I've retired, I've quit. It comes back like two nights later or three nights later. I

SPEAKER_00:

think this could be the end for Mark Merrill.

SPEAKER_01:

He better be.

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Because from what I remember, I'm remembering some early 99 and I don't remember him being a part of any of it.

SPEAKER_01:

See, you remember shit.

SPEAKER_00:

From the 90s? Yeah, but that's things I've seen many times. This one random 30-second segment on a Monday Night Raw 27 years ago, or a Royal Rumble that I've seen probably 20 times. What do you think I'd remember more? Makes sense, right? Put it together. Two plus two. Fuck off. Mark Merrill is going to face Dwayne Gill. And if he can't beat that jobber Dwayne Gill, he's going to quit. He's going to retire. He's done. He's done with

SPEAKER_01:

the

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WWF. The Pasadena Chargers are there. It's his elementary school football team. It's past their bedtime. There's a pimp out here. There's a fucking porn star. And now there's kids involved. A fucking elementary school football team, the Pasadena Chargers, and they're here to support their loving and championship-winning coach, Dwayne Gill. And Dwayne Gill's getting his ass kicked, of course he is. But, end of the match, TKO from Mark Merrow is finishing with a pin-em, one, two, three, game over. Mark Merrow's still in the company. Oh no! Mark Merrill, not good enough. TKO. Ghost of the Top is going to go for his Marvelosity finisher. The Blue Meanie is here. This is the same Blue Meanie we saw. Probably a year and nine months ago.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what? When you say Blue Meanie, though, that's not what I picture.

SPEAKER_00:

What do you think of Blue Meanie?

SPEAKER_01:

When I think of Blue Meanie, I think of the Blue Meanies from the Yellow Submarine movie.

SPEAKER_00:

Right, right. I haven't watched that

SPEAKER_01:

movie in a long time. It's great when you're high.

SPEAKER_00:

It's pretty great when you're big. Yeah, no. I have to do that one. No, this is WWF's Blue Meanie.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not the same.

SPEAKER_00:

So this guy was buddies with Stephen Richards and Hollywood Nova and also Al Snow in ECW. And so Blue Meanie. Remember when ECW and Paul Heyman were on Monday Night Raw for a little bit there?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, ick.

SPEAKER_00:

In 97. And like the Sandman was there and RVD was there and a bunch of Taz and Tommy Dreamer and Raven. And all these fucking ECW guys started showing up. And then it just kind of went away and that was it.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank God.

SPEAKER_00:

It was. wasn't so bad, right? But ECW... They

SPEAKER_01:

didn't need to do that. It was so fucking unnecessary.

SPEAKER_00:

But ECW continued to be a thing, and it's still a company, and it's the third wrestling company behind WCW and WWF. Company number three in the world. ECW, Extreme Championship Wrestling. But Blue Meanie was in the BWO, the Blue World Order, not the New World Order like Hogan, Hall, and Nash. No, the Blue World Order with Stephen Richards, Big Stevie Cool, the Blue Guy and hollywood nova because scott hall razor ramon was the bad guy so blue mean he had to be the blue guy stephen richards because kevin nash diesel was big daddy cool stephen richards had to be big stevie cool you thought he was hot too did i yeah yeah which i remember we looked at pictures and you're just like yeah i could do that

SPEAKER_01:

that's

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what you said bro i'll show you pictures of him after but uh yeah that was the blue world order and i was

SPEAKER_01:

like you're gonna forget i know

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that was like february march of 1997 so uh either way blue meaty no longer ecw now in wwf and he is here Pushes Mero off the top rope. Dwayne Gill, 1, 2, 3. Dwayne Gill, 2-0 on Raw right now in his comeback. And not only that, Mark Mero is... Retired from WWF. And...

SPEAKER_01:

The way he did it, though. He didn't even, like...

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He fell off the top rope. He got pushed off the top rope, and he got pinned, and he's gone. And that's it for him. I don't know the exact date, but this could be it. This literally could be the end of Mark Merrill for us. Remember when Sid was gone forever? Oh,

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don't talk about that.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, you know... Because

SPEAKER_01:

now he's actually gone forever. I

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know. So sad. But... um so you remember that but now you'll remember mark merrow is no longer a thing in wwf we don't have to watch mark merrow anymore and even if he did come back it would be for like a one-off which nothing i

SPEAKER_01:

don't even want that

SPEAKER_00:

oh i'm telling you i don't remember if this is exactly when he left but i do remember a month after this or a month and a bit after this he is no longer there so he is gone at least in the next month or so but this could actually be the end for him so we'll find out i think if he's not on the next episode i don't think he's coming back because i don't remember him on rock bottom because i was there and he was not so probably because he sucks sure or his contract just ran out and he was no longer with the company and they didn't bother to renew his contract but they definitely wanted to renew sable's contract

SPEAKER_01:

that makes sense

SPEAKER_00:

right and see what happens is that sable and marrow and they're all together and then they're against each other and sable gets super popular marrow's no longer with the company and sable's the biggest women's wrestling star in the world unreal So Mero, bye-bye. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Just like Sable got kicked out of WWF forever and came back, what was it, two, three weeks, three weeks later? I think it was. Two weeks later, whatever it was. Xbox Shamrock European title. Guess who makes their triumphant return?

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Diz Prince!

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Triple H is back!

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Prince is back! Prince Adam!

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From

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Beauty and the Beast!

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And he goes straight for Ken Shamrock.

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Speaking of Beauty and the Beast, the book I'm reading is like a Beauty and the Beast fanfic.

UNKNOWN:

Cool.

SPEAKER_01:

The Accord of Thorns and Roses girlies know what I'm talking about. Anyways, continue.

SPEAKER_00:

Ken Shamrock is not the reason that Triple H is no longer with, or Triple H is not active. It's because when he had to relinquish his Intercontinental title that he won from The Rock in a ladder match at SummerSlam, he had to give it up to Ken Shamrock. And he gave it up to him on heat. Sunday Night Heat he gave up the title to him, not even on pay-per-view or on Raw or anything. And then, not only that, Shamrock gets the title, and then he slams a car door in fucking Triple H's bad knee.

SPEAKER_01:

What a ween.

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That he just had surgically repaired. So obviously he's gonna not be here for a while. But here we are, Triple H, the game, the King of Kings, he is that damn good. He's not that damn good yet, but he is pretty damn good now. He gets better? Dude, he runs the fucking creative now, bro. Well, yeah,

SPEAKER_01:

I know that, but like...

SPEAKER_00:

There's a reason why he does that, okay? He literally is in charge of storylines and the creative. I thought

SPEAKER_01:

it was because he was married to Vince's daughter.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, that didn't hurt. But also, this dude lives the business. But yeah, Triple H leveled up. But you just gotta wait for it, bro. It doesn't happen overnight. You saw him. He was the fucking Blue Blood, right? He was fucking Hunter Hearst Helmsley. He was the fucking Greenwich Snob, right? That's how he started. And then he joined DX, right? And then he became the leader of DX. And then he beat The Rock for the Intercontinental title. What is he gonna do next? Who knows? Royal Rumble? starting to kick in isn't it bro yeah starting to kick in good job uh so anyways we get another dq finish much like the meryl and dwayne gill match which ended in an interference a run-in we get a dq finish in this match as well too how does triple h's knee look

SPEAKER_01:

it looked like there was still maybe a brace on it

SPEAKER_00:

Underneath his jeans.

SPEAKER_01:

Underneath his jeans. Very possible. He was wearing very baggy jeans.

SPEAKER_00:

Baggy jeans. And yeah, he could have had a brace on there. And

SPEAKER_01:

the one knee looked like it was more like there was more around it

SPEAKER_00:

versus the other knee. Sure. He looked like he stumbled a little bit there. Yeah, a little bit. So he's still a little ginger maybe on the knee. Like my

SPEAKER_01:

finger.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he's a little ginger. He's a little ginger on the knee, but he's back. He's on television. That's the main thing. And his girlfriend, but not on-screen girlfriend And... is going out on a date with mark henry and uh china's actually starting to come around a little bit she's had a bunch of drinks in her i'm sure now and uh she's starting to get into it mark henry up and dancing she actually gets up and dances with them for a little bit

SPEAKER_01:

so confused

SPEAKER_00:

unbelievable so she started and then finally he looks like he's about to go to the bathroom just leave for a few minutes and then these three douchebags come out of nowhere in a cost china okay the most jacked fucking woman wrestler probably in history or like one of the most for sure uh china uh so if you see somebody like that in a bar and you're three scrawny fucking dudes what do you think your best course of action is keep walking keep walking bro shut the fuck up oh you're gonna say something that china she's gonna make you pay for that and she does she beats the shit out of them then mark henry beats the shit out of both of them too and everybody's cheering them they're in a nice like classy restaurant

SPEAKER_01:

no at this point they were

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at a bar they're at the bar yeah They needed a drinky poo. But what do you think China thought of this date? Probably a higher mark than we would have thought going into it.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, after that, they didn't show anything else. That was the end of it. So you couldn't really see

SPEAKER_00:

any of their

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emotion. Yeah. After the fact.

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Sure. But there's always next week, brother. There's always next week. Tiger Ali Singh. Adam mentioned Tiger Ali Singh to me last night and he's just like hey so who's the guy who makes all the American people like lick their toes and like eat sardines and kiss them and fucking take off their clothes and like bark like a dog and shit and it's like oh that's Tiger Ali Singh and he's like are you sure and I'm like dude we've literally watched all of that like it's completely Tiger Ali Singh at first he didn't believe me that it was Tiger Ali Singh and I was like no he thought it was someone else He thought it was some other foreign heel, like Muhammad Hassan or something like that. They thought it might have done that. But no, it's Tiger Ali Singh. He's not making people do things for money anymore, seemingly, or at least not as much.

SPEAKER_01:

They're like, that took too much time.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah,

SPEAKER_01:

exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

Actually, we did get another match. It was Chyna and Mark Henry on a two-on-three handicap match against three guys in a bar, also ending in disqualification.

SPEAKER_01:

You almost made me spit out my drink.

SPEAKER_00:

uh tiger ali saying his opponent val venus

SPEAKER_01:

pal penis

SPEAKER_00:

yeah and he's also here with godfather and godfather's got his hose as well too uh the adult or what was the fucking i can't even remember it

SPEAKER_01:

the one that you kept saying i was like no that's not the one we thought of the adult association because it just sounds so boring i know

SPEAKER_00:

right totally I love how the hoes walk by the commentary desk and whenever any kind of female at all comes out, Jerry the King Lawler is all over it. And they're walking by the desk and, you know, King and his regular, look,

SPEAKER_01:

look, look, look. You were going to say J-Uso, weren't

SPEAKER_00:

you? No, I was going to say J-R. Oh. No, not J-Uso. Although, yeet. So King is like, look, look, look, look. J.R., line of the night.

SPEAKER_02:

They're women. I get it. For God's sakes. They're women. I've seen that before. Oh, my God.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. That's a great line. They're women, for God's sakes. Too good. That was so funny. And then Terry and Jackie are out here. uh holy shit dude they're coming in and they're kicking people in the balls and they're fucking shit up and we get another disqualification

SPEAKER_01:

is she pregnant for real

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no i don't think so i honestly don't think so

SPEAKER_01:

because she's not showing her anything she's not even starting and if you had a kid before you're usually more prone to like your stomach stretching and like showing

SPEAKER_00:

yeah a lot faster i don't i don't think so so

SPEAKER_01:

i doubt it yeah

SPEAKER_00:

Highly doubt it. But anyways, they're here. Low-blowing Val and causing yet another disqualification. I think we're like five for five or six for six on fucking fuck finishes tonight. Some

SPEAKER_01:

shit.

SPEAKER_00:

We're perfect still. And yeah, DQ. Sable has a modeling cologne because when she came in, she was doing advertisements. She would come out in a very skimpy outfit and she would hawk the King of the Ring inflatable chair like we've seen.

UNKNOWN:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00:

in the JVC Kaboom box and the Sable Bond 38 special t-shirt and the Austin 316 Blood from a Stone t-shirt. But now Shane is making her remember how she started and now he's going to make her hawk some cologne. The WWF cologne. It's got attitude, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

Except he goes to smell her tits after she sprays it on and then she sprays him in

SPEAKER_00:

the mouth. Sprays him in the fucking mouth and shit.

SPEAKER_01:

And then he's like, it doesn't work. his breath's refreshing spray or whatever it was he said but it was pretty funny I remember my dad had the spray when I was a kid another story time with Aaron

SPEAKER_00:

okay not not WWF spray no okay

SPEAKER_01:

no it was just a breath okay spray and it's so funny my dad I guess got it one night he was like shopping and saw it was just like hey like yeah yeah I'll make mom want to make out with me um and I remember whenever he'd like he'd Wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_00:

Calling him out on the

SPEAKER_01:

THWF, bro. I should remind him of that next time I see him.

SPEAKER_00:

Calling him out on the THWF, bro. That would be so funny. And then we have our main event of the evening. Whose dick did Al Snow have to suck to get a main event of Monday Night Raw with The Rock?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

Whose feet... Did he have

SPEAKER_01:

to lick

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to be able to get a Monday Night Raw main event match with the world champion The Rock? Whose bath water did he have to drink to get this match against The Rock in the main event of Monday Night Raw on November 30th, 1998? The answer to that question is Vince McMahon.

UNKNOWN:

Uh...

SPEAKER_00:

We all love the people's elbow here in the THWF podcast. It is probably the most over-moved besides the Stone Cold Stunner right now in our arc. Even as a fucking heel with Vince McMahon, people still cheer the shit out of this fucking move. Unfortunately, it's not the people's elbow anymore, though. It is the corporate elbow because The Rock is laying the corporate smackdown. And he gives the people's slash corporate elbow to Head!

UNKNOWN:

Ha ha ha!

SPEAKER_00:

grabs head puts her in the middle of the ring does this whole thing drops the elbow picks her up trash talks or spits on her and throws her out wow what a fucking heel but i'm here for it a fucking um earl hebner takes a huge bump and then of course we get the easy rock bottom win for the rock over al snow But it's just kind of a big brawl and everything. Nothing really goes on and that's kind of the end of it. Because we only have one more Raw before Rock Bottom. We're on the Go Home Show for next week's episode. Although, Undertaker, so the finality of this whole episode with Kane, Taker, Paul Bear, and Stone Cold. So... We didn't see what Stone Cold did to Undertaker after hitting him with a shovel. Now, Paul Bear is bringing the orderlies, the white coats, with him to go grab Kane and bring him to the loony bin. And they... Have him in the body bag. They see him. They open it up. They see Kane's mask. And then they just zip it back up. So they didn't zip it all the way down and see exactly what he was wearing. They just saw his mask and then zipped it up. And they're like, yeah, that's him. And he's a big dude, right? So it makes sense. And sure enough, it was not Kane. so again stripped uh of clothing mask everything uh i'm sure he has a duplicate mask but um or many masks but um that was undertaker in the body bag and paul bear is not going to find out that that is the undertaker until we get maybe to the hospital and actually get to the room who even knows when he finds out that that's the undertaker so that gives austin and kane free reign to do whatever they want with paul bear no one to help him no repercussions didn't you say is like is it is anybody else gonna help him i think you've already said it's like because undertaker's not there you think anyone else would ever help paul bear and i'm like no no one's coming out to help paul bear the only person that would ever come out and help him is the undertaker unless he you know builds a fucking faction uh you know of some sort maybe

SPEAKER_01:

please tell me he doesn't

SPEAKER_00:

maybe a ministry of some sort that's very dark you know maybe uh darkness ministry or Ministry of Darkness. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

Ministry of Magic?

SPEAKER_00:

That's what I keep thinking when I hear it. I love the Ministry of Darkness, but Ministry of Magic sounds so much cooler, so we're going to probably have to call it that eventually.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a Harry Potter

SPEAKER_00:

thing. I know what it is, yeah. Cause I've watched Harry Potter now and I think it's great. Good. Cause

SPEAKER_01:

you told me you'd never watch it before.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. Cause I was very stubborn, but then I changed my tune and I found out that. You just

SPEAKER_01:

gotta stop being so stubborn.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. It's so hard sometimes. It really is so hard sometimes. It's something I work on, try to work on every single day. Good. It's tough.

SPEAKER_01:

You gotta work on it. Cause you were too stubborn.

SPEAKER_00:

Can be. But I think I'm less stubborn than what I used to be.

SPEAKER_01:

You agreed so fast about upgrading your daughter's phone.

SPEAKER_00:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01:

I was not expecting that.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah. If she needs it, she needs it. If it's not like holding a charge and shit.

SPEAKER_01:

It's like, yeah. Barely working.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Upgrade. Back to school. Back to school at Telescooter.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, God. A little advertisement in there. Right. So, Paul Bearer. What should be done? A. Beat the shit out of him in the middle of the ring. B. This is your multiple choice question. B. Set on fire in the ring. C. Stabbed with scissors in the heart. Or D. Shoved in a sewer headfirst into a manhole. What? Okay, first question about those choices. What would be the worst?

SPEAKER_01:

Probably...

SPEAKER_00:

Lit on fire or getting stabbed in the chest with scissors? Till death. What's worse?

SPEAKER_01:

Getting what?

SPEAKER_00:

Stabbed in the heart with scissors until you're dead. Or... being lit on fire and dying. Oh, God. What would be worse?

SPEAKER_01:

Probably fire.

SPEAKER_00:

I think he would suffer more with fire. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Because that's multiple wounds, not just, like, one wound.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. It's pretty fucking bad.

SPEAKER_01:

Plus, you could still, like, survive it.

SPEAKER_00:

Could.

SPEAKER_01:

But then you have to live with the pain of

SPEAKER_00:

it. You burn victim the rest of your life. you know crazy shit man um so the i guess that'd be the worst one but the the choice that steve austin made was d shoving him into a manhole a sewer head first and then putting the lid back on uh yeah apropos probably didn't kill him but uh probably

SPEAKER_01:

he was doing this all with cane though

SPEAKER_00:

Kane and Austin teaming up together. That was weird to me. Kane and Austin. Kane, the very man who broke up Austin's title reign at King of the Ring 98 and was going to set himself on fire if he didn't. It's amazing to go back and think what they were doing in these matches.

SPEAKER_01:

So much fire.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, so much fire, dude. But anyways, yeah. And now they're teaming together. What could we call the Kane-Austin tag team?

SPEAKER_01:

I have no

SPEAKER_00:

idea. Oh, man. Hellfire and Rattlesnakes. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

I

SPEAKER_01:

don't fucking know, bro.

SPEAKER_00:

But anyways, Paul Bear gets thrown down a sewer to end our night. Good. But not before we had extra attitude. We had three stunners earlier. Now we're getting six more. One to the rock. celebrate beer bash two to the rock so i think it was uh you went to our oh no wait

SPEAKER_01:

no i was still here

SPEAKER_00:

oh you're still okay anyways uh yeah that's right too no adam was he he went to the bathroom during the first stunner and then he stunned rock for three more times and also stunned shane twice stunner beer bash stunner beer bash leaving comes back stunner beer bash leaves actually leaves like goes behind the curtain and then rock jumps on the mic cuts a promo says he's still trailer park trash and he comes out again stunner beer bash then shane mcmahon comes and tries to help the rock and austin's like no he's getting it too comes back in stunner I wish it

SPEAKER_01:

was Vince getting one.

SPEAKER_00:

Stunner, beer bash. Yeah, well, it was Vince. You saw him for a little bit, and then he wasn't around for the rest of the episode. It's too bad.

SPEAKER_01:

He disappeared for, like, way too many of the things you'd think he'd

SPEAKER_00:

try to be around for. You'd think he'd be there for. Yeah, exactly. And interestingly enough. Interesting. Interesting. Interestingly enough, when Austin earlier in the night was looking for Undertaker in the halls, he walked by a certain person, a certain female, last name McMahon. Hmm. Wonder what her first name is. Stephanie? Okay. I think this might be the first time we ever see Stephanie on Monday Night Raw. It definitely won't be the last, brother. Uh... Stephanie McMahon, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

You're doing that creepy, pervy laugh.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, dude. Dude. Shit gets wild. I'm just going to say that. Shit gets wild here on THWF. What did you think of that episode, babe? It was pretty fun. Good shit going on.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it was pretty fun. Probably like a 4.4.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow. A pretty high mark. Not bad. I like it. And the THWFers like it as well. Boy, six seasons in. We only have two episodes left in this season.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So what we're going to do is we're going to talk about this episode.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But then we're going to talk about how you're feeling so far with two episodes left in the season, how you're feeling from the way the season started to where we're at now. Okay. Okay. Sure. But let's get two episodes left with two at the end of this one with two episodes left. How are you feeling? How do you feel like it could go? Okay. Yep. Got it. So we go to Peyton. She seems to be recording a video of herself and she's like in the baby's room.

SPEAKER_00:

It's the just in case I die video.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And like she's doing this and it's really sweet. Like I get it. Like she has the fear. She has two dead mothers. One from cancer. Like this is something that people do actually die from. Oh yeah. So she's she's rightfully scared and she's trying to do this video to give to the baby so that the baby has a piece of her because for her she's like thinking about you know if she had never gotten to meet either of her moms she'd want to know a piece of them sure so she's thinking it in that way and she's like not trying to be morbid she's just trying to prepare um And Lucas is fucking pissed.

SPEAKER_00:

Dude, he's a fucking stone-cold heel about this shit. He's Vince McMahon.

SPEAKER_01:

He's so mean about it. I

SPEAKER_00:

told you. Why is he such an asshole, like, all the time? Especially to his loved ones. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01:

Right? Like, he's meaner to the people he loves.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Which is insane. So he's pissed off, and he actually goes... to hide out in the garage and work on Peyton's car a bit more. He's

SPEAKER_00:

like, why are you doing this shit, right? He's pissed. He's like, why are you doing this shit, Peyton? You don't have to do this. You're not going to die. And it's like, it's just a case. And he's like, I don't care. Fuck you. I'm working on the car for the next two weeks.

SPEAKER_01:

And then she's saying that she wants to get married right away because she doesn't want to die without being his wife. Which, you know what? I'm just like, why would you spend the money if you know you might die anyways? Right. That's so morbid of me to say. But, yeah. But, like, I don't know. I just... If I'm, like... I don't know. Like, I get it. I think if I were dying in that situation, I'd be like, yeah, I want to be, like, legit married to you. But, like, I'd just elope or something. Yeah. But, you know... I get it. But at the same time, I'm also like, okay, say a wedding. The average wedding is$15,000. Sure. At that time. Because it's definitely worth a lot more now.

SPEAKER_00:

Depending on what kind of wedding you have.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. But let's just say for funsies, it's$15,000 wedding. Okay. Yeah. So we're going to go. We're going to spend all that money on that wedding. For me to possibly die the next day.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. Doesn't really make much sense, does it?

SPEAKER_01:

Like, in my mind, I'd be like, oh, but I want to actually die his wife. That's, like, you know, important to me.

SPEAKER_00:

But imagine that night you'd be, like, thinking about it all night. It's just, I'm just going to be down with this. Like, fuck. At

SPEAKER_01:

the same time, it's like, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's a little... funny i think i would see it almost a little bit more on lucas's side like we can get married after the baby is born and we make sure that you're safe and healthy but

SPEAKER_00:

right yeah fair enough

SPEAKER_01:

i don't know that's the only time i think i've agreed with lucas in a very long time

SPEAKER_00:

yeah and not only that too but he says in such an asshole way though he's just so so aggressive and mean about it Yeah. And it's like, dude, you're an asshole. You'll always be an asshole.

SPEAKER_01:

This is also the day of her baby shower. So all the girlies are coming over to celebrate her. And that's where we get into a little bit more with Brooke and Sam and Victoria. But she's doing this baby shower. So she's supposed to be happy and excited. But yeah. So Lucas is just being a little ween. Brooke is caught spying on Sam and Sam's mom by Victoria. Victoria is trying to be like, you know, it's it's normal for her to want to know her mom. She's just being a little too nice.

SPEAKER_00:

Why is she being so nice?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't get it. I don't like it. I don't get it at all. It's off-putting.

SPEAKER_00:

It's not right. You're supposed to be a bitch at all times, and now all of a sudden you're nice because she actually likes Sam?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah, I don't get it, but, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, we find out something very interesting about Sam and her birth mom.

SPEAKER_01:

Hang on. We will get there. But Lucas is like being a pouty bitch about Peyton in the garage and Nathan comes. He's got to go and like play in Charleston. He needs to go back or wherever he's going. Who is he with?

SPEAKER_00:

Charleston Chiefs. Yeah,

SPEAKER_01:

okay. I forgot. Wow. He needs to go back to Charleston because he's got a game, but he wanted to see his brother and check in with him before he left. Plus, Jamie was getting dropped off there, too.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay,

SPEAKER_01:

yeah. And so, yeah, he talks some sense into Lucas about... what's going on and like think about what's important and how she might be feeling she might be fucking terrified

SPEAKER_00:

yeah totally

SPEAKER_01:

so

SPEAKER_00:

he talks some fucking sense into lucas

SPEAKER_01:

yes that's the important part yeah um victoria is trying to mom brooke a bit she's trying to like

SPEAKER_00:

go shopping with her

SPEAKER_01:

go shopping with her she's trying to talk to her about like and just like talking to her about the whole Sam thing too. And like, I understand that you want to keep her around, but she has a right to know her mom, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or no, like, yeah, she's just saying all this shit. And Brooke's like, I want to adopt Sam. But like, and I have adoption papers, but Victoria's like, I don't know. She's just... She's trying to be too nice.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's very weird. It's just like...

SPEAKER_01:

It's off-putting because it's not what we're used to. It's just like

SPEAKER_00:

if... If Stone Cold Steve Austin just started being a really nice guy. Like, just the sweetest dude. Just, like, wouldn't hurt a fly. Oh, my God. You know? That would be what it would be like. It'd be like, what the fuck is going on? Right?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. That's true.

SPEAKER_00:

Totally. Who knows? That might happen one day. Anyways.

SPEAKER_01:

And... so brooke gets to talk to sam a little bit um because sam is like she's sitting in her room and brooke goes to check on her and she's kind of crying and brooke's like why are you crying

SPEAKER_00:

i was always crying

SPEAKER_01:

and

SPEAKER_00:

every episode she cries

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, God. So, she's crying, and she's looking at this picture, and it's a picture of a dark blue house with a white picket fence. And she says that it's her mom's house.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And... She always wanted a white picket fence.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's mom with a diner fucking coffee shop job and bought a house with a white picket

SPEAKER_01:

fence. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

What did she do? Probably

SPEAKER_01:

made some money on the adoption. No, I'm kidding. But then Sam reveals that her mom was only like 15, 16 when she had Sam.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Her

SPEAKER_00:

parents made her give her up.

SPEAKER_01:

She didn't want to give her up. She was forced to.

SPEAKER_00:

All this time, she's always been trying to find who that kid is. Yeah. Finally, we are here.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Damn. That's crazy. Yeah. So Nathan goes... to play this game

SPEAKER_00:

scouts everywhere bro

SPEAKER_01:

yeah his coach says that there's scouts from the clippers

SPEAKER_00:

la clippers los angeles clippers in the nba bro

SPEAKER_01:

okay well i don't watch basketball either so

SPEAKER_00:

you watch a ton of basketball you're watching the show

SPEAKER_01:

not like legit basketball

SPEAKER_00:

but you're watching the show you're watching basketball

SPEAKER_01:

it's not the same

SPEAKER_00:

it is it is basketball

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I hear it. So I guess I'm watching football when I watch A Cinderella Story.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, my God.

SPEAKER_00:

Technically, yes.

SPEAKER_01:

So yeah, Nathan is being told that there's going to be some scouts at the game and try and look good. And Nathan's like, oh, fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and he's actually going to try to make Nino look good.

SPEAKER_01:

They both have to try and look good.

SPEAKER_00:

But Nate is definitely passing the ball off way more and making Nino look better. He's finishing, and the finisher is always the one that gets the, you know, the... The media attention, the guy who scores the baskets, was the guy who helps the guys score the baskets, the assist man. He sets them up.

SPEAKER_01:

I have a theory.

SPEAKER_00:

About?

SPEAKER_01:

This.

SPEAKER_00:

About what?

SPEAKER_01:

Nathan.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

And like...

SPEAKER_00:

And Nino.

SPEAKER_01:

Nino and like the Clippers being in L.A.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So do you think that it's a possibility that Nathan was like, here's it, you know, it's L.A. Clippers. Yeah. Does he really want to go to L.A.?

UNKNOWN:

?

SPEAKER_00:

It's his shot in the NBA. Why wouldn't he want

SPEAKER_01:

to? But at the same time, do you think that he'd maybe try and still make himself look good, but make Nino look better? So he could go to the Clippers? So that he could be the one to go to the Clippers and go to LA so that Nathan can probably still get a closer spot to home?

SPEAKER_00:

Like Charlotte?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't

SPEAKER_00:

know. Like the Bobcats. Do you

SPEAKER_01:

think it's a possibility that he could possibly think that way, though?

SPEAKER_00:

Maybe. I don't know. I

SPEAKER_01:

just thought of this for

SPEAKER_00:

the first time ever. Interesting. I mean, that's a possibility. It's not out of the realm of possibilities. I hope

SPEAKER_01:

that made sense. I just realized how crazy I sound.

SPEAKER_00:

Los Angeles is a long way away from Tree Hill, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And there's a lot of teens that are in the East that are way closer than that. So you can imagine uprooting your life and moving all the way across country. That

SPEAKER_01:

would be wild. Crazy

SPEAKER_00:

shit, bro. That

SPEAKER_01:

would be wild. Skills and Lauren have a date, but there's someone crashing their date. Someone named

SPEAKER_00:

Chuck.

SPEAKER_01:

And Chuck,

SPEAKER_00:

he's a

SPEAKER_01:

fucking asshole.

SPEAKER_00:

Everyone hates.

SPEAKER_01:

He upchucks.

SPEAKER_00:

On his fucking, nice. On his skills issues. Nice. Up, Chuck.

SPEAKER_01:

Up, Chuck, Up,

SPEAKER_00:

Chuck. Chuck, Up, Chuck. Wow, I like it. Top notch. Up, Chuck, Chuck. How much Up coulda Up, Chuck? Chuck coulda Up, Chuck, Up, Chuck, Up. Oh my God. Chuck. That's who. But he fucking sucks. He chucks and he sucks, bro. He chucks and he suck it.

SPEAKER_01:

He upchucks on skills shoes. Did you notice if they were Jordans?

SPEAKER_00:

They look like Nikes, but they're not Jordans. They look like Air Forces, maybe. Maybe. Something like that. White Air Forces.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, they were white shoes. And now Chuck is throwing up on them. He's eating a ton of candy. He had dairy and he's apparently allergic to dairy. He's just being a fucking menace. Like they go go-karting and he crashes the go-kart.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, they're like, hey, whose fucking kid is this? not mine

SPEAKER_01:

yeah

SPEAKER_00:

so he just wanted a nice private awesome sex-filled date with miss lauren that's all he wanted

SPEAKER_01:

it's funny so i'm just gonna like go through just this part so that we can break up the other parts because like you know this wasn't the main feature of the

SPEAKER_00:

show but it was funny and then also frustrating because i hate chuck that much more now

SPEAKER_01:

so i

SPEAKER_00:

don't like the chuck being a baby face that he's a heel. That's what he is.

SPEAKER_01:

He finally, they finally end the date and skills is driving Lauren home and he's still got Chuck in the backseat, but Chuck is like sleeping in quotations. Right. Um, he's sleeping and, uh, they're like, this Lauren's like, he's cute and like whatever. And they kiss and, to end the date and she gets out of the car and or no

SPEAKER_00:

they don't kiss

SPEAKER_01:

oh they almost

SPEAKER_00:

kiss they almost kiss but then chuck fucking woke up like a fucking oh yeah he woke up and he's like

SPEAKER_01:

naughty naughty

SPEAKER_00:

yeah up with his

SPEAKER_01:

ventriloquist doll

SPEAKER_00:

oh my god this kid just gets worse and worse i know chuck on this chuck up fuck this chuck up chuck fuck up up fuck you chuck you suck That was wild. But then Miss Lauren actually goes to Skills' apartment after. Yes,

SPEAKER_01:

that's

SPEAKER_00:

when they... I guess drives herself over to Skills' place. And Skills was, like, pre-empting fucking... What's their faces? The two jobbers. A couple of jabronis. Oh, Junk and Fergie. Junk and Fergie. Yeah, Junk and Fergie. He's just like, hey, like, later on, like, make yourselves... They were still

SPEAKER_01:

there when he got home. I know. So they fucked up.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, that's the thing, because he came back and he didn't have anybody. And so she came after him. So no one knew that she was coming except for her, right? So she came back and then, yeah, the blissful romance is budding between Skills and Miss Lauren, who had a cameo bit on That 70s Show.

SPEAKER_01:

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00:

She was Fez's girlfriend for a little bit, I think. Like crazy girlfriend. Weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Later on in the series when it wasn't as good.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I've seen it. all, but I don't remember her being in

SPEAKER_00:

it. Right, yeah. Very short time.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, Mouth and Millie are doing the long distance thing and Mouth is asking questions about, um, what long distance was like for Nathan and Haley. But the funniest part of this, you know, we've already had Master Ticketer.

SPEAKER_00:

Master Ticketer. Oh, yeah. Now we got the fucking, uh, the social media. Not

SPEAKER_01:

Facebook.

SPEAKER_00:

No, it's my book.

UNKNOWN:

My book.

SPEAKER_01:

You

SPEAKER_00:

can follow us on my book. You can follow us on my book, threads, Instagram. You know what you would do if all three of YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook all joined together into one super company? You know what you'd call it? You twit face. like that one that was fucking not what i was you twit face yeah youtube twitter and facebook you twit face yeah that's what they would call the company brother you twit face

SPEAKER_01:

but it was my book and

SPEAKER_00:

my book and millie posted a nice little kissy face picture on there on my book yeah she shared a photo got 14 likes three comments two shares both shares are from mouth yeah right yeah uh and she looked amazing uh and chuck still sucks

SPEAKER_01:

yeah

SPEAKER_00:

uh

SPEAKER_01:

yeah uh nino and nate are absolutely killing it for this game but then bobby the coach he turns to nathan he's like

SPEAKER_00:

take a little for yourself

SPEAKER_01:

yeah yeah you keep setting them up making nino look good make yourself look good too because they're not here to just see him they're

SPEAKER_00:

here to see you too yeah for sure And there's a scout there the whole time, like, grading, like, every fucking thing these guys do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Right? And you can kind of read his, like, facial, like, his body language a bit, how he's feeling about certain things, too. Right. But they absolutely kill it, and now they just have to wait for the call.

SPEAKER_00:

What's gonna happen next? What's gonna happen?

SPEAKER_01:

Sam and Victoria are spending time together and talking, and... Well, Victoria, they're talking about the mom situation. And, uh... victoria's trying to convince sam that like oh you're a brook you're a davis now like

SPEAKER_00:

right you

SPEAKER_01:

know she's

SPEAKER_00:

getting her dress nice buys her real nice dresses and shit

SPEAKER_01:

gets her a real nice dress for the baby shower that peyton's having um again not really much going on there so we're like gets her dressed for this and Brooke comes home and her and Sam have to get ready to go to the baby shower and Brooke kind of walks into Sam's being convinced by Victoria. Yeah. But then Sam's like, or Brooke's like, has a panic moment and is like, I want to adopt you. I have adoption papers.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, like what was that about? Like, why would you do that? Why would you assault her with that? Like, fuck.

SPEAKER_01:

Totally out of left field.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, weird. To Sam. Yeah, weird.

SPEAKER_01:

So, but they talk and Sam is like,

SPEAKER_00:

She just kind of ambushed her with it. Yeah, I

SPEAKER_01:

love you. But at the same time, I want to know my mom.

SPEAKER_00:

It was interesting, though, is that like...

SPEAKER_01:

Brooke was okay with it.

SPEAKER_00:

Julian ambushes Brooke with a fucking decision to go to LA or not. Love

SPEAKER_01:

bombing kind

SPEAKER_00:

of thing. Love bomb. She's doing kind of the same thing here, too. Yeah. Where she's like out of the blue. All of a sudden, she's like, I want you to be my fucking kid. I want to be your legal guardian. It's like, but then she asked, she's like, but can I still see my real mom? Right? So...

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So we kind of find out that Sam does actually want to go and live with her real mom. And Brooke brings that up too. She's like, it's okay if you want to. And so Sam actually packs her bags and her and Brooke have a nice little farewell moment. And she leaves.

SPEAKER_00:

And doesn't get a ride.

SPEAKER_01:

no apparently just walk apparently they walk or live very close together um you're gonna have words later on in the show about that by the way

SPEAKER_00:

oh no yeah about

SPEAKER_01:

just distance

SPEAKER_00:

oh okay yeah and like gotcha

SPEAKER_01:

thinking about what just happened with sam and brooke sure sure how close they were and stuff you're gonna have words later on

SPEAKER_00:

okay not like i get you just

SPEAKER_01:

later on in the show i get you um and yeah lucas is asking peyton how her baby shower went um they're kind of talking and lucas When he wasn't working in the garage with Jamie, they kept going through the pictures and he was telling the stories to Jamie and he's realizing how special this box of stuff that might seem morbid, it means a lot and what the point of it is. And he kind of has a bit of a change of heart and like, yeah, he gives the box back to Peyton and says, you know, like... We should get married.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yep. Now. Okay. Here's a pastor. Done. One witness. Oh my God. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow.

SPEAKER_01:

I

SPEAKER_00:

didn't even rate it.

SPEAKER_01:

No, you didn't. But I have a question for you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So now that you've seen 22 episodes of the season... Oh, give your rating.

SPEAKER_00:

$2.41. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

So now, like, thinking back to the beginning of the season and how much you were liking it. Yeah. To, like, now where we're at.

SPEAKER_00:

I definitely like the first half more. Yeah. For sure. Um...

SPEAKER_01:

And where do you think the rest of the season is going to go? Do you think anything crazy happens?

SPEAKER_00:

No, like, well, there's only two episodes left, right? So it feels like all the psychotic killers have been

SPEAKER_01:

eradicated.

SPEAKER_00:

That's a great word, by the way. Great word. Now they're all gone. And so what kind of crazy-ass drama can they come up with now? And that's the question, right? And where is it going to come from? And how is it going to all tie in and... go together and shit. And you know what? It does feel like Mark Schwann's writing this to be the end of the series.

SPEAKER_01:

It feels final.

SPEAKER_00:

Very final. Um, very final. So honestly, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

You don't know. I

SPEAKER_00:

don't know. Um, Nathan's going to make it to the NBA. easily are you sure he's gonna make it uh yeah you don't go this far and you know for the you know for the story it's got to be you know he makes the nba it's got to be that um and also yeah jamie i don't know Cause like he's funny. So I don't know. He grew up to be a comedian. He could grow up to be a comedian or some shit. He's funny and he's smart and he's just a sweet kid, right? Yeah. Jamie. Yeah. He's a sweet kid. He's cute. Yeah, he is. He's great. Um, so I don't know. He'll be a comedian one day. He's

SPEAKER_01:

so

SPEAKER_00:

funny. Yeah, I don't know. There's got to be something there with Sam and Brooke, I think, in Victoria. There's got to be something there. What they'll do, I don't know. But maybe crazy shit. Who knows? Peyton and Lucas are leaving. They're done. They're done. They suck. Get them off our screens. Over and out. Give them the Mark Merrow treatment. Make them job to Fergie and Junk. in like two minutes and they're gone forever um where's whitey

SPEAKER_01:

i'm not telling you

SPEAKER_00:

we haven't had him all season

SPEAKER_01:

you may have died no

SPEAKER_00:

we

SPEAKER_01:

didn't have him oh yeah we did have him in season five a little bit

SPEAKER_00:

a little bit i think in flashbacks like at the beginning of the season or something but anyways uh Whitey hasn't been here in like 10 trillion years. He

SPEAKER_01:

died and they just didn't have a funeral.

SPEAKER_00:

No, that's not fair. They can't just write off Whitey like that without anything. No, stop

SPEAKER_01:

it. I'm not saying that's really what

SPEAKER_00:

happened. I know, but I'm just saying quit trying to put that shit in my head, bro. I'm just trying

SPEAKER_01:

to be a shit.

SPEAKER_00:

That's so mean. I've lost enough in the last couple of weeks. I've lost fucking Ozzy Hulk Hogan. Now I'm going to lose fucking Whitey Durham too come on yes that's not fair that's a tough week bro that's tough week that's funny and where the hell's dan fuck sakes

SPEAKER_01:

he died no

SPEAKER_00:

he didn't he did he's gone

SPEAKER_01:

off and died no

SPEAKER_00:

he hasn't

SPEAKER_01:

his bad heart dude

SPEAKER_00:

he'll get a replacement that a dog won't eat this time

SPEAKER_01:

if he first of all Lost it because he was kidnapped by a crazy ass nanny after being hit by a car.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And then...

SPEAKER_00:

He's still first in line.

SPEAKER_01:

and then he gets another opportunity finally to get a heart he's in the hospital awaiting them to wheel him to his room after they set it up and then they're finally wheeling him back there and oh the stoner guy has this dog and the guy runs in with the heart and the dog goes to see dan and the guy stoner dude is passed out and the doctor nurse whatever trips Over the leash.

SPEAKER_00:

With the fucking heart in the cooler. With the

SPEAKER_01:

heart in it. And it goes rolling down the hallway. That's

SPEAKER_00:

not sanitary anymore.

SPEAKER_01:

Towards where Lucas is sitting with Peyton.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, my God. They didn't see it, though.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, no. Lucas saw it happen. Oh, Lucas saw it happen. Because he told Nathan about it later on. I

SPEAKER_00:

thought he just heard what happened.

SPEAKER_01:

No, he saw

SPEAKER_00:

it. He saw it. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

And... Yeah. Oh, yeah, he did, too. The dog ate the heart. How fucked is this? But, yeah, like, really.

UNKNOWN:

Fuck.

SPEAKER_01:

And then he did that whole, like, sad thing with the ocean. He's in the water and shit. And, like, sitting on the sand.

SPEAKER_00:

He's not dead. Yeah. Great

SPEAKER_01:

day on the beach, hey?

SPEAKER_00:

They wouldn't do that to Dan Scott. They wouldn't not put his death on screen. They have to fucking show it. So there's no way, man. He's kicking. He's alive. He's well. He's got his heart. He's all good. Maybe he'll start a TV show. Who knows?

SPEAKER_01:

Fuck off. I'm so pissed you remember that. So

SPEAKER_00:

pissed. Maybe he will one day.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Nice. Is a certain character back for that television show, by the way? Who? Maybe a female variety with red hair?

SPEAKER_01:

I'm not saying

SPEAKER_00:

anything. Oh, okay, brother.

SPEAKER_01:

Why would I say that?

SPEAKER_00:

I think I'm on to something there. Fuck off. Oh, I am too. All right, okay. No, just the name of the TV show. What is it? What is it? Treehill Wrestling Federation podcast at treehillwf.podcast on the show, including Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and threads, and listen to us on all the streaming services, including what? I need a lot of breath for that.

SPEAKER_01:

Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube Music, and iHeart Radio. You can follow us on my book.

SPEAKER_00:

My book and you twit face. Yeah. That's that, bro. Like, yeah, I know. I don't think the season is as good as when it started. The first half of the season was very good. And then I felt like it started to fall off a bit with the slower episodes. But they had so much chaos and mayhem in the first half that it's like they had to cool down. I get it. You can't just keep having that over and over again. You got to let that stuff breathe and keep it important by only doing it sometimes. You can't have a murder every episode, you know? Yeah, true. So, you know, slow it down. So I understand that. But it's been quite... A lot of slow and a lot of relationship things. The only thing I'm really enjoying right now, I think, is Nathan's basketball career and Jamie. Those are probably my two favorite things on the show right now. I'm just interested in how a guy actually worked his way up and made it into the NBA. It's pretty cool. All the things that happened and what he had to do and all that. It's crazy shit here on the THWF Podcast. Enjoying once again. You're

SPEAKER_01:

so high.

SPEAKER_00:

So big, bro. And I finally made it through as I am Sean Harris.

SPEAKER_01:

And I am Erin Kosker.

SPEAKER_00:

And I bid all of y'all adieu.

SPEAKER_01:

And I say bye, bitch.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

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