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Ep. 129 - Hulkamania Lives Forever And Almost Always (RIP)

• Erin Koczkur and Sean Harris

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Lucas and Peyton are finally tying the knot, but will it end in a blood-bath? Wait is Psycho Derek here to eff things up again?!

Anyone who claims Owen Hart is the Blue Blazer at this point is just an idiot. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY APPEARED TOGETHER!? I'm looking at you Jim Ross...


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Do you smell what the rock is cooking?

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Treehill Wrestling Federation Podcast Brothers

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and Sisters

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Episode 129 that's oh no Hulkamania lives forever and almost always

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R.I.P. but not always oh fuck

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the immortal one is no longer immortal

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did these titles forever ago. Way

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before Hulk Hogan kicked the bucket.

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We probably did the title for this like season because we did it at the same time as doing season five.

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Yeah.

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So it's been a bit. It's been a while.

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Yeah.

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Since we've done that. Months

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for sure. So forgive us Hulkamania fans for the very apropos episode 129 as I am Sean Harris.

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And I am Erin Cosker.

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That's right, the THWF live and in charge for the 129th time. Oh boy. At treehillwf.podcast on the socials, including Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and threads. And listen to us on all the streaming services, including...

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All the streaming services, all the good times. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, Spotify Generation X proudly brings to you, it's number... Don't fucking do that. Ranked... World Tree Hill Podcast in the World! Road Dogg, Sean Harris, Esquire. Badass Inc., Aaron Kosker. It's the Tree Hill Wrestling Federation Podcast!

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And if you're not down with that, we got two words for you.

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Listen now. That's right. You have to switch it up a little bit here on the OTH and THWF because that's what we do. We amalgamate both shows, dude, and we amalgamate. the apparent corporation significant

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join-up. I never bought it for a

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second. That you did not buy. So I had to obviously change and modify our intro a little bit as per Road Dog Esquire and Badass Inc.

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I literally did

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not buy it. Well, that's part two of the episode, brother. We got to hit part one, and that is the Tree Hillside episode. we're here bro second last episode of the season

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and how are you feeling so far it's

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the go home for the season finale

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like we talked about this briefly last episode but like let's give a little recap like how are you feeling so far this season

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the first half of the season was way better

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Stronger.

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Oh, way stronger. A lot more drama. Drama, craziness, and then it kind of almost fell off a cliff a bit. Like, if I'm going to look back at my notes, you're going to see a lot of twos and threes, as opposed to the beginning of the season where we're hitting fours, and I think I might even have a five in there on one of the Nanny Carrie episodes as well, too. So it definitely had a steep drop-off, unfortunately. Again, like you said, Mark Schwan possibly trying to Russo-swerve us, or Schwan-swerve us, and be the guy to make it seem like the show is ending writing it like that just to fucking swerve everybody because they're thinking they're in danger of not getting picked up for another season

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yeah he was a dick and he manipulated and played mind games a lot

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with a lot especially um bethany joy lenz

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well a

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lot of the bullshit that he pulled on her

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lots of bullshit he pulled on her that's like come to light a little bit but like everyone he played everyone specifically the females yeah um there's a reason there's a certain character that hasn't been on for quite a while okay um and Well, we're getting there, but there was very specific conditions.

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Oh.

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That, like, if she were to make a return, very specific conditions would have to be met. And when we get there, I'll explain why things played out that way. Huh. Interesting. Like, I'll fully explain it because I know the story. But, like, he treated... hillary burton horribly he treated all of them horribly

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and honestly the entire cast i'm sure

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like yeah

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so my question is this reboot possibility which apparently is not going to have james lafferty and bethany joy lens in it

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why the

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fuck would we do it then what's the point

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like why would we cover it

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no why would they even do a reboot if they're not going to be a

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part of it because they're trying to do it because there's a lot of fans that loved the relationship between Peyton and Brooke. Like so much.

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Like three people?

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No, there's like so fucking many. I couldn't put a number to it because the amount of people, it's astronomical. They love

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their relationship.

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They love their relationship and they wanted to see, especially because of certain things that are going to happen soon. People felt jibbed and I think that the two actresses heard that loud and clear. Yes, having a reboot where like the core characters were all together would be nice but also knowing that there might be strained relationships um making it not quite a possibility

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um how many times have you lied and deceived and backstabbed your best friend

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never

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exactly

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i know that's the thing like this whole episode when they're like oh we've been through it all together at

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all you know i remember that time that your fucking boyfriend cheated on you with me twice

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yeah remember that fuck sakes

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i remember that

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yeah anyways let's get into it remember

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when

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so the episode starts off with uh hayley picking like flower petals from a rose and And she's like spreading them on the ground and doing all this decorating. And we find out she's actually decorating for Lucas and Peyton's wedding, which they've decided to do very spur of the moment considering they've been engaged forever. But also like, well, not forever. Not like us. We've been engaged forever. It feels like. But this forest is significant because it's beside the lake where Peyton and Lucas finally spoke.

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When they hated each other. When

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her car was broken down and he was driving cute. yes um so it's significant to them so that's why they chose this location um in particular but Lucas goes up and he's saying like oh the minister fell through and Haley's like oh weird hack like you can ordain someone online in like five seconds and she's like how cool would that be for you to be married by like someone you know and she's like how cool would that be and lucas goes online he's like ah sounds interesting cool gets her ordained

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you're ordained that's the thing like he obviously needs to put in a bunch of hayley's information like how much would he know of that like

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they've been best friends forever

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sure but like when it comes down to it all these things that you would probably have to enter and making an account for something like that you would probably need probably

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let's be real but yes like he knows enough about her that he was somehow fake able to fake ordain her online um um skills is taking some extra precautions with jamie since the last lucas wedding uh jamie was kidnapped so you know extra first time extra precautions include a leash on a harness and walkie talkies

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yeah

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and And the leash is, like, a retractable leash, too. For a five-year-old. It's fucking hilarious. And Jamie's like, is this necessary? And everyone's just like, no.

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So this is just a wedding episode.

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Yeah.

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Like, out of the blue. Like, literally out of the blue.

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Well, they said it last episode. Like, let's get married, like, right away. Yeah.

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But, like, we always, so just the next episode, we have a wedding episode.

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Yeah, but I think the way that they talk about it, this is like a few weeks.

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You know what would have been hilarious? Maybe a week or two. You know what would have been hilarious? What? If when they're doing their I do's and everything that Lucas said, I take the Lindsay.

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That's rude. Nathan makes it to the wedding, but he's said that he had to. go practice or whatever he had practice he's saying the whole time that he had practice and he was able to leave early um but he seems a little bit bummed and why might that be he it's weird because you'd think it's a happy day he'd be happy that his brother's getting married but

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sure to his ex-girlfriend the

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history is so wild man I don't I imagine if that was like our group I guess I've dated one of your buddies one of your buddies used to be slash my buddy used to be like in love with me in high school yeah I guess we're kind of in that

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not to the extent of tree hill though

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um

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I wasn't in a school shooting and fucking... Guess

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not. Lucas tells Brooke that someone's been invited... He's arranged a date for her. And she steps out of the tent when she's getting Lucas to get changed. He's in a tux that she's like, nah, this won't do. You need to rock a little Hugo Boss. And then he's like, yeah, you got to get ready too because I've got someone special here for you. And Julian comes around the corner. Fucking Julian. But.

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He's not

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by himself. Quick on his heels. Not by himself. Is Brooke 2.0. Honey.

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Actress Brooke 2.0.

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Oh, baby, we should go find somewhere to sit. Fuck, Brooke is unimpressed.

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It's the younger, hotter, more advanced version. Not hotter. I wouldn't say she's hotter. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

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No. She's like a little freaky. Looking version of Brooke.

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A little freaky looking version.

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I don't know. Just like her eyes like bug out of her head a little too much.

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Like the rock?

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Yeah. Lauren and Skills are sitting talking and... you know, skills is quite convinced that he's got Jamie on lock with this. And he's gone

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again

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and

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getting kidnapped by somebody. I'm sure

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she's kind of like, uh, you should take a look. She plays into it and there's a dog at the end of the leash. And, uh, so skills gets up to try and look for jamie and then lauren turns around and her and jamie high five he's behind a tree totally played skills just so good so good um we find out the reason that luke part of the reason nathan's so upset is nino got called up to the clippers

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where are the clippers from

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didn't they say new york

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nope New York Knicks. No, sorry, LA. There you go. Los Angeles Clippers. So Nino made that team because I guess they needed some help with the shooting guard position, which is the position originally played by Nathan. So he switched positions and now his replacement at shooting guards gets called up to the Clippers.

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And he's just feeling so defeated because he's trying to make everyone else become a team player. He's trying to make other people better. Yeah. Something that he learned when he used to be very selfish.

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Yeah.

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And he's learned to not be so selfish, but now it's kind of kicking him in the ass a little bit.

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Besides Brooke, I think Nathan definitely has the biggest change in character throughout the show. For sure.

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Yeah, so far, for sure. So he's a little bummed, but, you know, he's... telling hayley this and she's like it's okay we'll get through it of

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course and not only that he's at the wedding and he wants to give some kind and loving words to his brother and he's like i don't know whatever i said at lindsey's wedding just replace it with lindsey and with peyton and we're

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good and lucas is like wow glad you put some thought into that bro it's so funny um So everyone is all set. Peyton walks down the aisle after Brooke. And then everyone was saying that Brooke looked great. And then Brooke's like better than Julian's slutty Brooke alike.

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She fucking basically is so childish about so many things and tries to make this entire fucking wedding about her. Surprise, surprise.

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She's just frustrated. And I get it. I would be too. Um, especially when she's ambushed. Like that's the thing is Lucas invited Julian, not Julian plus one. That's true. So it didn't work out the way it was supposed to. And he meant for Julian to be a date for Brooke.

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So why are no parents at this wedding for Nathan

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and Hayley? Well, apparently.

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Because like

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Hayley's. No, it's Peyton.

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Oh, sorry. Yeah, sorry.

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Peyton's dad is on a boat.

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Yep.

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and uh

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three dead mothers yeah

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lucas's mom was stuck in italy or some shit

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yeah something

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couldn't get away i don't know i think it would be pretty important to be at your kid's wedding but okay shows how

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much karen loves lucas

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and i mean they were at the last one The one that never happened. It didn't end up happening. Well, it happened, just not the way it was supposed to. I mean,

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like it didn't conclude the way it was supposed to. But luckily, by the power vested in Haley through OneMinuteMinister.com, he doesn't say Lindsay at the wedding, luckily. And not only that, she didn't really know what to say because it's very off the cuff because it's such short notice.

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She was made minister that morning. And

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we all know the shortness, the short notice of the show. where it's like hey spur of the moment let's go travel to africa hey spur of the moment let's go fucking pick flowers in japan Now, hey, spur of the moment, let's get married and get you ordained right now so you can give a speech that you have no time to prepare for. Let's do that. And she's not ready for it, and Peyton just tells her, hey, if you can't think of anything, just think of song lyrics. And she does. And she says, you know, every rose has its thorn, just like every...

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Oh my god, this is so funny.

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Just like every cowboy sings the same sad song... every rose has its thorn yeah so just start singing poison in the middle of a fucking ceremony makes sense

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too good Brooke has a great idea though and she leaves after the ceremony to go to trick and Nick Lachey still happens to be there even though it's been a few episodes or whatever

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oh he's been there the whole time like he's literally been in the recording studio for weeks

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I guess so. Just

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trying this one song out because you know he can't do it very well. She's been practicing.

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She just

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knew he would be there.

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Just knew. And she brought a measuring tape with her and she's making sure that she's got the right size tux for him. And she's like, I need you to put this on. You're just going spur of the moment as my date to this wedding. Once

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again, the short notice spur of the moment. Hey, put on this suit and we're going to a wedding right now. And Nick Lachey doesn't even know whose wedding it

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is. No, he just shows up. Well, I guess Peyton owns the studio, so he may have met her in passing or something. What? Brooke?

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What? Brooke?

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No. Nick.

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Oh, Nick. Yeah. No, I'm meaning Nick meeting Brooke. Oh, you mean Nick. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, Nick knows Brooke because they used to kind of... date or whatever have hooked up

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yeah

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and he misses her

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so if you were going to a wedding and you were trying to make me jealous for whatever reason you're mad at me or whatever we're in that we're on a break um if you were if we were going to the same wedding and if you were to bring a date to make me jealous who would you bring besides british bulldog

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eric Honestly,

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I don't think I'd be very jealous

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of

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this. What? Yeah. I honestly don't think that would make me jealous. Really? No.

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Who would make you jealous?

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British Bulldog.

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Oh.

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But he's dead, bro. Yeah, so that wouldn't work. I don't know. The Rock.

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So it would have to be a wrestler for me to make you jealous? Well,

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somebody famous and powerful and awesome. That would make me jealous. Who could I bring to make you jealous? Tris Stratus. Good Lord.

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Any bitch on your arm is getting murdered if it's not me. Very true.

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Very true.

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I watch True Crime.

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Yes, you watch True

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Crime. I know what not to do. You watch

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True Crime to know that you'll never be a part of True Crime because you're smarter than that.

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But yeah, so... They get seated, like Julian gets seated at the same table as Brooke.

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Of course they do.

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Of course, with their respective dates. And Missy, the... Brooke Alike. Brooke Alike? Yeah. She is, like, fangirling over...

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Over what's-his-face from Dancing with the Stars.

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Yeah, which is Nick Lachey, basically.

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But she had another name for him or something. What was

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it? I forget. It was stupid. I'm, like, I'm not a Dancing with the Stars fan, so, like... I don't give a fuck. I don't care. So she's fangirling over this, and Julian's like, oh, shut the fuck up. You mentioned Stacey Keebler,

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who was also on Dancing with the Stars, who is the ultimate right beside Trish Travis.

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And then Julian starts making fun of... of Nick and his boy band he's like uh he says something about how hot it is in there it must be 98 degrees it's

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probably about 98 degrees in here and then the next scene he's literally been knocked out by Nick

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Lachey he's getting ice on his face cause the the reception happens to be at trick

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you know what though like if I was Nick Lachey and somebody made that comment to me I wouldn't punch anybody I'd be like yeah and I made a shit ton of money doing that so fuck you true right

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True. But then Peyton's the one that's icing Julian's face and she's like, you made fun of his boy band. You deserved it.

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Yeah, and not only that, this is not the first dude that's punched him out in Tree Hill.

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That's true. Nathan is quite distracted and Haley wants him to dance and he's really not feeling it, but she convinces him and then he's totally not into it. He's just kind of like super distracted and she's like, just be with me. And then he's like, he's trying, he's trying to be present and she's like, nah, grabs his hand, pulls him into the bathroom and they have slutty wedding sex in the bathroom. That's

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been the thing all episode long is even talking about, hey, that slutty wedding sex, you know, Mia and Chase. and all these other people started talking about the slutty wedding sex and it's actually Hayley and Nate who have the slutty wedding sex

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I mean fair they're married

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yeah sure

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works out

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honestly not that slutty if you're married

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It was just the way they went about it. It was kind of slutty. A women's

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bathroom and the whole thing. Yeah.

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Locked door. Their child is like. It's like right outside. Yeah. Totally.

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On a leash.

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Yeah. And speaking of skills and Lauren, they're having a dance or whatever. And then she, they're talking about their possibility of slutty wedding sex. But it's a little difficult when you're taking care of a child. A A

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leashed child.

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A leashed child. Right. And then Lauren says, hang on to that leash, will ya?

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Yeah. Yeah, maybe we'll use that later. Oh,

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my God. Yeah. They're feisty. They're feisty. Skills is

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into the fucking freaky blonde chicks, man. Apparently. Big time freaks, yeah.

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Apparently. Julian asks Brooke to dance. And she kind of makes a comment like, what about... Missy.

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Well, she's off having slutty wedding sex with fucking Nick Lachey.

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Well, apparently she left because Julian called her Brooke too many times.

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Yeah, Brooke 2.0.

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So, yeah. So they're having a dance, and they're kind of talking about, like, where do we go from here? And she's like, I don't think we can go anywhere from here. Like, you're off doing your thing. I'm here doing my thing. Like, you know, it is what it is. Yeah. So, yeah, obviously, the Brooke-alike, Missy and Nick, hook up on the pool table

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at

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Trick.

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Yeah.

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in the studio

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peyton went no

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no

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right so she's gonna go play pool on that not no

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right um julian is uh heading out and he stops by close of a rose hoping to run into brooke brooke's not there but victoria is and he's like huh you're brooke's mother and he's like i'm julian And basically tells her to go fuck herself.

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Yeah, she's like, well, you know, it's called clothes over bros, right? And he's just like, you're an absolute sack of shit and go kill yourself.

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Peyton and Lucas head home and it's been a big day. She's still supposed to be on bed rest. So Lucas has been very worried about her with this whole thing. But they've got the house all decked up. The doctor said

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it was okay.

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This is a huge fire hazard, but there was tons of candles everywhere.

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All candles put out. like you know lit up when they're not home for hours

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yep flower petals all over the place like white flower petals what a

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hazard

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and uh he says you know i think you i have we have enough time or whatever for one more surprise i think you have it in you for one more

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no she does not

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and he's like i gotta go out to the garage for a second she's like oh and she looks in their room and sees the flowers all over the bed and the candles and then

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it turns into carrie

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and then all of a sudden there's drops of blood on the flower petals and she looks down and then the next scene we see Lucas is taking the cover off the comet and he's going back in and there's a puddle of blood on the bedroom floor or the floor like right going into the bedroom and Peyton is passed out like out cold.

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Wouldn't it make more sense if like Because he already had the car ready. So wouldn't he want to drive up to the wedding in it and just be like, hey, look. I mean, they all drive on grass all the time anyway, so what the fuck do they care?

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Yeah, but he wanted it to be a specific kind of surprise. That wouldn't have been as much of a surprise, I don't think.

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I think it would have been. And for everybody, too.

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Yeah, whatever. It

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would have been way cooler as opposed to waiting for her to bleed out to death when you can't even show her the car. I don't know. This whole... Second last episode, a wedding episode, and it's like, meh.

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Oh, also, by the way, Nathan might be on shit from his team because he skipped practice entirely. He wasn't excused from it. And Bobby had some words for him about that.

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Yeah, I mean, honestly, the only thing that I feel that I'm really actually into right now is Nathan's basketball career. That's the only thing that's somewhat gripping me right now. Everything else is just background. It's just honestly, dare I say, boring. Not impressed. Like the way the season started out, I'd be like, this is right up there with three and four. But now it's like marginally better than last season.

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This gives me higher hopes though for like, the next season though. Yeah. The way you're feeling right now.

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Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just kind of over it. I just kind of want a new season. I want new storylines. I want some new characters. I want something different. Because honestly, Nathan and Haley and that part of the family is the only ones I care about. And I'm not getting enough Dan and Deb and all that stuff. You get them periodically. No Whitey whatsoever. Just there's a lot missing. There's not enough there. I mean, you spend an entire episode on a fucking wedding that literally goes nowhere. It's mostly about Brooke and Julian, this fucking wedding. Right? So, I don't know. I'm just not feeling it. It's a 2.20.

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Damn.

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Yeah. Or

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just a 2.2 because, you

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know. 2.20. Because for a go-home show to the... season finale man this falls flat dude very very flat and even with the whole you know supposed shock of Peyton at the end and blah blah blah she'll be fine we'll be in the hospital the next episode as always but she'll be fine I mean like I said Hayley got fucking dumped by a fucking car and did 17 flips and a triple Lindy hop and still had the fucking kid so I think this whole you know whatever fucking condition she has

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placenta

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placenta previa um i just it's it's not doing it for me it's just not so i'm ready for these characters to leave already get the fuck off my screen i'm over it i'm over it and that's that bro But there's plenty of characters we want to see on this side of the THWF. That is the December 7th, 1998 edition of Monday Night Raw. And it's coming to us, emanating, of course, from New Haven, Connecticut. We're going to start out with... D-Generation X, but only three members of DX. China, X-Pac, and the newly returned Triple H. He is back. He seems to be okay. He's cutting a promo here, but before he can get anything out.

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Oh, you didn't know? Jesse! James! Better call somebody!

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Oh, you weren't aware of this? Your posterior better contact somebody! That's what the corporate New Age outlaws are going to come out here with their suits and their different intros. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, the corporation proudly presents... Your WWF Tag Team Champions of the World, Road Dog Esquire, Badass Inc., the New Age Corporate Outlaws. They're here. What's up with fucking New Age Outlaws? I

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don't like it. I don't believe it. They

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got suits. They have bottled water that they're drinking with their pinkies out.

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Oh, my God.

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Vincent Kennedy McMahon presents the new New Age Outlaws. Decked out in

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suits. And even, like, because normally they spit the water out.

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Don't they? Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes, yeah.

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They did, like,

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a... They did the pink... Yeah, yeah. And the little pinkies and everything. And, you know, the heartbreak kid is out there full force. And now, apparently, the outlaws have joined the corporation.

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Here's the thing.

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Yeah. You called it, bro.

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Badass...

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Yeah.

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...has the same, like... blue slash black jacket. It was a blue jacket. It was a blue jacket, yeah. With the beige pants. Beige

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pants, yeah.

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Same as Shawn Michaels. And their hair looked very similar with the tied up at the back.

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Tied up, blondish hair, yes. Very similar.

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Something to note...

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But Shawn Michaels gets down in the ring and this is the first face-to-face confrontation that Shawn Michaels and Triple H have had since WrestleMania earlier this year. So we're almost going back like a good nine months, 10 months since the last meeting that they had face-to-face and they go at it. Shawn Michaels tears down Triple H saying that he would be no one without him, that he was a jobber on the undercard before he started DX, right? Triple H would be nothing. To be fair, I feel a lot of Triple H's popularity is in part due to Shawn Michaels, giving him that rub. You know, being on the top of the card with a guy like Shawn Michaels, he's a fucking legend, when Triple H is nowhere near that status when he was brought into DX, right? Yeah. So Shawn Michaels definitely has some sense here by saying all this. But yet Triple H comes back with, well, guess what? You dropped the ball and I picked it up and I became the leader and you can't wrestle anymore. So what are you going to do about it? And he's like, maybe I can't wrestle, but I can make you do whatever I want. And you're going to have a take match with X-Pac tonight teaming up against Shamrock and Bossman.

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And

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it's a nose qualification match. So if the outlaws want to interfere, they are more than welcome to. Get our first match of the night after the first segment. In our second segment, we get... Oh, you better recognize. That's right. In the new theme song as well, too. D'Lo Brown, greatest European champ of all time.

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Fucking bobblehead. No, he's not. Against the greatest of all time,

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Jeff Jarrett.

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Ew.

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Now, we noticed that on this episode of Monday Night Raw, and that was a little bit of backstory. You do have to... just have some context to all of this, Michael Cole is doing play-by-play. And reason being two reasons. Unfortunately, Jim Ross' mom passed away. And not only that, too, the night before, they were in London, England, and they did Capital Carnage. More or less just a house show for the English fans. But, you know, they had a bunch of matches. They had Rock and X-Pac for the world title. Austin was there. Jackie got her tits out as well too legit uh and uh it was actually mark merrill's last appearance had a match and i was overshadowed by jackie's shirt coming off uh but that's the thing throughout this event and during this event jr actually fell ill with another bout of bell's palsy so bell's palsy having kind of a uh What do you call it? Drooping kind of face on one side. It's almost like a paralysis of the face or half of the face. And he's gone through this before, but now he's getting a real bad bout of it. And he had it happen. And apparently he lost stress and that kind of stuff causes it.

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It's like MS. Stress amplifies my symptoms or makes them come forward. Actually, when I was starting to have my first symptoms, my... first symptom was partial numbness of my face and my mom was like oh that might be bell's palsy that's what she initially felt thought

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yeah

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yeah

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but uh yeah unfortunately he's been wrestling wrestling with that for a long time in his life

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and he's not

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here and he's not gonna be the play-by-play commentator for a while i

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get it

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though oh absolutely it's quite the health event and

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and like stress right like if you're in situations where like things and from what you've said about like the way that vince was kind of like treating them um but not just that too that would not help

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but not just that too we or at least you know jim ross is the play-by-play guy

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yeah

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behind the scenes he is in charge of of um talent relations so anything to do with the wrestlers like getting them to where they need to and basically taking care of all the shit with wrestlers that is on JR so you can imagine the amount of stress yeah with dealing with you know dozens and dozens and dozens of these fucking crazy ass wrestlers doing these fucking things and who knows what especially at this time in the attitude era so yeah definitely a ton of stress so feel bad for him mhm At the time, I thought we were unlucky. We were getting Michael Cole. But looking back, we're lucky to get Michael Cole because he is the second goat.

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No, he did really good. He's great. At least it wasn't Vince.

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Yeah, exactly. It wasn't Vince. But also, too, is that now Michael Cole is starting to scratch that play-by-play itch. And he's here. He does a great job. But I think back then, I remember watching it. back then during this time and a lot of people were not happy that Michael Cole was there just because he's not J.R. J.R. is a legend he's got the perfect voice for it and Michael Cole just wasn't him

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but knowing the reason you can't be pissed off about the reason but

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I guess more people were pissed that it was actually Michael Cole taking the spot

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I mean honestly I don't

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think there would have been no not just Vince could have been Jim Cornette

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could have been Shane McMahon absolutely not could have been

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fucking Michael Hayes

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I don't even know who that is

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Doc Hendricks

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Okay.

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No. Could have been, you know, somebody along those lines. So at least we got fucking Michael Cole and he's going to do a good job.

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But we've seen him do it once in a blue moon anyway. Yeah,

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for sure. He was there when it was the three man booth before as well, too. But looking back at the legendary career of Michael Cole, we definitely know that he will more than suffice in replacement of JR. So we have a strip tease match at the pay-per-view in Vancouver. So I got to see a strip tease match in Rock Bottom. And it's going to be Jeff Jarrett and Gold Dust. Gold Dust wins, which we all need this to happen. Debra has to strip. And if Jeff Jarrett wins, Goldust has to strap. Oh, God. So, yes, we're all cheering for Goldust big time. But Goldust, in this match with D'Lo and Double J, he comes out in a trench coat and starts revealing himself to Debra.

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Mm-hmm. Revealing himself.

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Revealing himself, in quotations. And it costs Double J the match. D'Lo rolls him up in a big win, and that's that. Mm-hmm. This was your favorite commercial ever. It's the new WWF cologne and the eau

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de toilette. This was fucking awful.

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Eau de toilette for women. These beatniks playing upright basses and doing a jazz number. Do you smell what The Rock is smelling with this cologne right now? And it's just very beatnik... jazz-inspired commercial. It's pretty fucking awful.

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It was so bad. It was

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really bad. Vince McMahon also spoke at Oxford University in Oxford, England for some reason. Did that while they were on their tour over there when they did Capital of Carnage the night prior. We're going to get a tag team match with two heel teams, Headbangers and The Brood. And the only reason why it's two heel teams is because Luna and The Oddities come out and they're going to start beating the shit out of basically everybody. And uh tiger holly singh and babu come in for some reason and actually luna beats the shit out of tiger holly singh and babu which is great

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uh

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so obviously a fuck finish and it's not like we ever get real finishes on monday raw anyways

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like so rare

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very rare it's got to be a disqualification a count out a brawl a no contest or interference of some sort It's

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rarer than my steaks. You

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can't have any finality on Monday Night Raw, apparently. We get Goldust and Owen Hart. Owen, officially coming out of retirement. He announced on Sunday Night Heat that he's coming out of retirement at rock bottom, but yet comes out of retirement tonight.

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Yeah.

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Six days before rock bottom.

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so silly i

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mean honestly owen's been there the entire time he hasn't really left but then we get the reversal we get way better instead of gold dust coming out with the trench coat we get deborah coming out with the trench coat and revealing herself to gold dust and owen but actually owen gets more distracted by it and gold dust rolls up only for the one two three which is hilarious but

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it was funny because Goldust was like yeah that was nice

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I like that I mean you know he used to be married to Terry you know so he got you know the golden titties and now he's getting the puppies so he's down with

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that but it's weird it's weird to see Goldust back again because we had like I was a big like not a big Goldust fan but like I was I was a fan I thought he was pretty great and then all of a sudden he did this whole porn dust thing and then God God dust. God dust. Just dust. And just like...

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He was the fucking New Year's baby one week. He was his dad one week.

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It was just fucking weird. He was just all over the place. He went through this weird stage. And now that he's back to gold dust, it's kind of hard to appreciate him the same. I'm sure I'll get there.

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OG gold dust.

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It's just I keep thinking about... all the other shit in between. You

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just don't have to think about that. He's back to being OG Goldust now. He's the androgynous, the bizarre one. It's

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just weird how they just switch characters so fast. I mean, that's the thing. Just willy-nilly, it feels

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like. Yeah, but that's the thing, though. Like, you know, they get stale. Like, they're coming out, they're doing their thing, people get tired of it. So why keep doing the same thing when you can change it up and actually get people talking again? Right? Like, look at The Rock. Like, he came in as a babyface. White, meat, fucking babyface. Rocky Maivia. My dad's a wrestler. My grandma's a wrestler. grandpa's a wrestler i have zero charisma i suck i'm okay in the ring and now i'm gonna get shot to the top because of my bloodline quote unquote and people shit all over him because he's this white meat baby face who's you know the blue chipper and smiles and kisses babies you know and then what does he do he fucking turns his back on the fans because they turn their back on him and joins the nation right and then he's a heel right for the better part of a year and then eventually you know he gets out of the nation and now people start liking him so now he's over as a baby face And a few weeks later, he joins with the corporation and turns heel again. So he was face to heel to face to heel. And this is in, like, two years.

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Yeah, but he's still the same, like, character right now. Right

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now, yeah.

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But then there's, like, Goldust has just been, like... Just all over the place, it feels like. But look

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at Undertaker as well, too. I mean, Undertaker was a huge babyface when we started and all throughout the Kane

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deal. I know, but he's still

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Undertaker. Yeah, but now he's getting these evil, evil intentions and doing these crazy fucking demonic things. That's not what he was doing before. So that's definitely a character change. His characteristics have changed. The only thing is, I say with Austin, he's been the same character the entire time. It's just his opponents have changed. Yeah. But you look at Vince Vince McMahon, announcer, goes from that to screwing over a bet to being one of the biggest, if not the biggest heel in the company, right? So you see the difference in characters. Look at Rockabilly.

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Yeah, but then we've also seen characters that are one character one week, and then they're something completely different, totally different name. Like

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Mick Foley? A

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little bit, but like the lame ones, you know?

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Like who?

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Like fucking what's his nuts? Al Snow? He was something else completely. He was Leaf Cassidy. Yeah. But then he went

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away for a while and he came back as Al Snow.

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It's just weird.

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Yeah. I mean, Mick Foley has been four different characters himself and then the three

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faces of Foley. But he makes fun of it. I think he does that in a way to like make fun of how often people change characters in a sense. I don't think

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so. I think it's more of just like he wants to show people the alter egos that he has, you know? Yeah. It's more about like, yes, I'm this character. I'm the deranged mankind. I'm this but i have a funny side to myself but then i can also be do love where i'm like you know party guy and with the ladies but then turn corporate or i could be cactus jack he's just a fucking madman and wants to put three people through tables and shit

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but he's still like royal rumble made for all

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three fucking characters

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by being all three in one night sure sure and like that's what i think is hilarious i think that's funny but like

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my my favorite part of that three faces of foley in the rumble earlier this year was is that he was number one in the rumble as cactus jack and as he was coming down jim ross was like oh yeah do love and mankind are staying at home tonight

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yeah that was so funny

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they didn't make it but cactus jack is here little did we know a guy entered the royal rumble three times we know little did we know i

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knew beforehand because i saw a spoiler

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oh little did i know when i was originally originally watching it on pay-per-view but uh hilariously

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it must have blew your mind oh

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i know well i was like sure cactus jack and then i start hearing the mankind me is like what the fuck are you pulling out here again and the hilarious thing about everything is that a man entered the rumble three times and still didn't win

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it

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wasn't even the final two so funny he was in the final four he made it but then it went down to Farouk Rock in Austin and then Austin in Rock and then eventually

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Austin

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fuck Rook which we also have to talk about in this episode as

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well I don't want to

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which before we do though at Capital Carnage in England we had a few fans out here one dressing up as Val Venus because he's only in a towel and one who dressed up as the Rock who did one hell of a Rock impersonation

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especially for having a British accent great

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voice

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it was great

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Very well done. Yeah, he was spot on. He was big on that.

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He did a very good job of making sure he sounded like The

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Rock. Oh, for sure. Yeah, top notch here. Then we also have Godfather and Val Venus. We're offering up hoes again, but we're offering them up to Bob.

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They looked miserable. Yeah, they did look terrible. These hoes looked so miserable. And they got in the ring and they smiled, but walking to the ring, fuck, the one looked like such

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a bitch. Yeah, I know. She was just like, this is a payday. This is all this. I don't care. But before, we're offering up hoes to Vader. We're offering up hoes to Stephen Riegel. We're offering up hoes to Tiger Ali Singh. We're offering up hoes to whoever. But now, we're offering up hoes to Bob. Random people. Bob.

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Yeah.

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Bob. Terrible. Yeah.

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He looked a little serial killer-y. A

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little bit, yeah. He's just a very interesting looking man. But I love how Jerry the King of Law is just like, hey, if the Salvation Army started offering up things like this, maybe business would be better. uh very true uh we get no contest because the acolytes are out here they are the acolytes now a new tag team old guys new tag team and remember when um bradshaw was teaming up with terry funk and he turned on him and it was in a match against Scorpio and Farouk and Bradshaw just kind of beat up everybody but apparently that turned into Bradshaw teaming with Farouk and becoming the Acolytes so they are now a team but they're also coming out to Kurgan's old music when he was like monster heel

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Kurgan yeah that's weird let's just recycle music

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once again Vince McMahon insulting our intelligence by thinking that we're not going to remember that the Acolytes music is Kurgan Please tell me they change their music. They do change their music, yes. But like I said, something's coming. They suck, though. You'd be surprised, bro. We'll get there, brother. Austin's out here. STOCO! steve austin's here and he's pissed off and you know when was austin ever out here and not pissed off true yeah right it's kind of his thing he's got some anger problems he maybe needs to take anger management classes he'll probably be in the same class as ken shamrock uh but obviously he's not too happy with the undertaker with all the goings on so much so that he had to stuff paul bear into a sewer last week but luckily enough for paul bear he's okay and he's here this week even after that happening to him. But Undertaker has like a pre-recorded promo and saying that he's going to sacrifice Austin to the Ministry of Darkness.

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Ministry of Magic.

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The Ministry of Magic a la Harry Potter. But this is not Ministry of Magic. This is the Ministry of Darkness. Do you feel that the Ministry of Darkness is something that Undertaker's been cooking up for a little bit? Maybe as a stable of some sort. Who could be in the stable with the Undertaker? I have no idea, dude. Look at the roster. Who's a dark character right now? Hmm. Maybe they were already on this show. Would make sense if they joined the Ministry of Darkness. And then we get Undertaker's symbol. It's a symbol! No, it's not a cross. It's Undertaker's T symbol, although it does look like a cross, but it's the Undertaker symbol. It's not a cross. So the hilarious thing is I heard on Bruce Prichard's podcast is when this symbol got introduced. they were told to not call it a cross. It's not a cross. We don't want any, like, you know, religious kind of, you know, assumptions here. We don't want any of that. Let's just, it's a symbol. It's the Undertaker symbol. Let's not call it a cross. You know what Jim Ross does? Not in this episode, but he does it later. He's like, don't call it a cross. It's a symbol. It's not a cross! I don't want anybody to think it's a damn cross! It's a symbol! A And same with Michael Cole. What's the symbol? It's not a cross.

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It's a

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symbol. And it lights on fire. And maybe Austin will be on that cross and it'll be a little on fire as well. We got a match between Steve Blackman and Tiger Ali Singh. And Jerry the King Long is actually talking about Norman Bates in this

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match. Fuck yeah, he

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is. It's all about, yeah. Norman Bates is crazy. Because I guess the remake of Psycho came out around this time. And he's referencing good old Norman and Norma Bates. So good for them. Very quick match. Bicycle kick win for Blackman. Thank you very much, my boy. In the W column again. But then fucking Blue Blazer comes down. And he falls on the way to the ring. And Owen comes out. So obviously... I don't know how many times I got to try to say that Owen's a blue blazer. He's most obviously not because he's out here with the blue blazer.

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And it's been almost every time blue blazers been out.

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I would say 90% of the time blue blazers out. Owen's out there with them.

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Yeah.

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So who knows who he is?

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It's just dumb that they keep trying to say he's he is the blue blazer

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because

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he used to be the blue blazer. So many things that point to know at this point. Are you stupid? Yeah.

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But also, years back, Owen was the Blue Blazer

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as a character. But if he repeatedly comes out at the same time... But

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is he using somebody else to be the Blue Blazer for him is the question. I

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don't know.

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Right?

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It's not something I'm privy to. I

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guess not. And then Rolling Stone magazine, Stone Cold Steve Austin. Getting a huge article on Rolling Stone. That was big time back then. Rolling Stone was a huge publication in the 90s. Anybody who got into Rolling Stone, they were very well known. And obviously, wrestling is at its absolute fucking peak zenith

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at this time. You know what my favorite magazine was back in the day?

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Cosmo? It's my guess. That was one of my favorites. Okay, so I got one. Okay, let me... I mean, mine was Playboy, so. Just kidding. WWF Magazine, brother. No, Cosmo would be my guess.

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Alternative Press.

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Oh, AP.

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Nice. Okay. I loved AP.

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I could see that for sure. Yeah. Definitely.

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The emo girly.

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Yeah. I also love GamePro and Nintendo Power and official US PlayStation Magazine.

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You're the nerd girly.

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Yeah.

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totally

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uh we got another throwaway match mark henry and draws from lod china

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china china china people think i don't like china i love china china china is the new china by the way china china china i deal with china china china big league china so don't tell me about china i know china china and by the way i love china i mean i love china How can you not love China? I love China. China. China.

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We all love China here on the THWF. And she actually helps Mark Henry win this match.

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Wild.

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She was stoked with the dancing last week. She helped beat up some losers with Mark Henry. And now she's actually helping Mark Henry win matches. Also, how many times did they get China's ass on camera in this episode?

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Oh, my God. They zoom in on it.

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So many times. Fuck. We're all okay with it, though. And Mark Henry, big win. Big smiles. all around that's my girl mark henry i don't know how triple h feels about

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this i know i'm like

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speaking of triple h is right here in a tag team match with him and xbox against boss man and shamrock hbk and the new new age outlaws the corporate outlaws are at ringside and of course they get involved near the end of the match badass belly gun in with the chair uh originally shamrock was gonna nail uh triple h with the chair and then guess what he Badass Billy Gun comes in, takes the chair, and says, let me do it. Oh, no, he's not going to do it to Triple H or Xbox. He's going to do it to Shamrock. Just kind of nicks him, though. I wish he hit him a little bit harder. Because you know, we've seen it before, the ridiculously insane chair shots that Ken Shamrock takes from The Rock, from Mankind. They fucking tee off on this guy. And unfortunately, Badass doesn't really get all of this. Could have been a little bit better.

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Here's the thing. So when this whole thing happened, because Shawn Michaels and Badass were wearing very similar outfits and looked... Basically, they were twinning. Twinsies day at school. I thought... At first glance, it was Shawn Michaels that had the chair and was nailing

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Shamrock. I guess the only tip off of that was that Shawn Michaels was wearing a cowboy hat and Badass Billy Gun was not.

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Yeah. But definitely from afar, it was looked that way. You could easily make the

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distinction.

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But also, because I did not buy the New Age Outlaws book, being a part of the corporation for one second yeah even like last episode when they were kind of hinting towards it that they're looking at contracts and stuff like i did not buy it

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that's a thing like when something happens so suddenly and there's not a lot of reasoning behind it

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mm-hmm

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you feel like we're just setting up for another swerve, right? Yeah. You know, it's just like, why does Vince McMahon hate The Rock all of a sudden? Yes. Oh, here's the answer. Why does New Age Outlaws feel like they should join the corporation willy-nilly? Oh, okay, this is why, right? Mm-hmm. Totally. So, obviously, if you have some planning into something, they've been

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thinking about it for a while. They need to do a little bit more, like, make it go on a little, like, convince us a little bit longer. Plant

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the seeds. Yeah. but that's the thing that's that's a lot of things that they have done like perfect example is uh the rock taking over the nation right it's like he's in there farooq's the leader but then week after week rock keeps coming out and saying like hey hey uh let's let the leader of the nation talk and rock takes the mic and starts talking you know just little things like that so you can see with some storylines they do plant seeds And they definitely do it over a longer period of time. It's just recently with a couple of these, you've seen it's very spur of the moment sudden, and that's why we're getting the extra swerves, right? But, you know, Vince Russo's rearing his ugly head in the booking again. I mean, it felt like after watching SummerSlam tonight, Russo was a big part of SummerSlam 2025 after all the bullshit and gaga that was going on the last two nights. But be that as it may, Outlaw Swerve DX is reunited. Everyone's sucking it again. Mankind's been looking for Austin all night, and I don't know why he's looking all over the place. He easily could have just went to Austin's locker room, which he does, and drops off a garbage bag full of beer for austin so i mean if you're gonna give austin a gift may as well be some beer something he likes and then go figure 1998 this is insane because you look back and it's like oh what's the uh you know tv main event on monday night raw oh just hall of famer hall of famer versus hall of famer hall of famer you know just willy-nilly let's book four of the most legendary wrestlers of all time against each other and almost a throwaway tag team match Like, do you get that these days? And we're just like, oh yeah, we're going to have, you know, The Rock and The Undertaker teaming up against Stone Cold Steve Austin and Mankind. Yeah, that's weird. Just like that. Yeah, because you look at like Monday Night Raw main events in the last like 10 to 15 years and it's like, oh great, it's fucking, you know, Drew McIntyre and fucking... Logan Paul against Jelly Roll and Heath Slater. It's like, oh, okay. Back in 98, they just randomly do four legendary wrestlers in a take

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match.

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And yeah, Corporation comes in. They handcuff Mick Foley to the fucking ropes. It's a DQ. We get the symbol out again. And they... Dump Austin. Take him out. And then they put him on the symbol. And they raise him up. As like a sacrifice. An offering. A sacrifice of sorts. Except this time Undertaker doesn't set it on fire.

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This time.

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This time. I mean, we're having a Buried Alive

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match. We're probably still figuring out the kinks on this thing a little bit. Ironing it all out. It's not the

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first time we're going to see the symbol. I have a feeling it's not the first. But we have a Buried Alive match in Vancouver in six days. Oh,

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boy. Oh, boy. What

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do you got for this episode, girlie?

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3.8.

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3.8. Very nice. Another decent rating here. And we're going to head into, amazingly enough, a pay-per-view and a season finale on our next episode.

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That happened like

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once. A loaded episode. 1.30 next. week where we got rock bottom from vancouver at general motors place and we're still talking i was still called that and i was in the 300 section four and uh we also have the season six finale of oth so here we are at your wf.podcast on the socials including instagram tiktok facebook and threads listed with all streaming services including

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spotify apple podcasts youtube music and i heart radio

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i heart what uh you should start saying the streaming service is much quicker because I get through my part really really fast so you gotta try to do it faster when you say spot

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yeah but usually by this time I'm either super baked or drunk

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fair enough that's very true

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so

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very true brother You're not lying.

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You're realizing. We

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got quite the loaded episode next week for you. We got lots to talk about. This is not even, we just hit the one hour mark. And we're going to call it a day as I am Sean Harris. And I am Erin Kosker. We will bid you a hearty adieu.

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And I say bye, bitch.

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